Υπερωκεάνια της Cunard στην Ελλάδα [Cunard Ocean Liners in Greece]

[Nicholas Peppas]

Φυσικα δεν ηξερα οτι η Cunard Line εκανε μερικα ταξιδια απο τον Πειραια στην Νεα Υορκη. Εδω το ατυχο Λακωνια στις 21 Φεβρουαριου 1914.

Περισσοτερα γι αυτο το πλοιο στην Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Laconia_(1911)

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[Nicholas Peppas]

Η πασιγνωστη Cunard Line ερχοταν και στον Πειραια με ωρισμενα απο τα υπερωκεανεια της, ιδιως οταν οι Ελληνικες Ατμοπλοικες εταιρειες αρχισαν να εχουν πολλους επιβατες/μετανεστες.

Εδω το γνωστο πλοιο Caronia (6/2/1914)

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Και οχι, το Caronia δεν ειχε ποτε τεσερα φουγαρα! Κακομοιροι μεταναστες, τι σας παιζανε!

Για περισσοτερα στοιχεια εδω
http://www.chriscunard.com/caronia1.php

Miramar



1905
Name: CARONIA Keel:
Type: Passenger/cargo Launch Date: 13.7.04
Flag: GBR Date of completion: 2.05
Tons: 19687 Link: 1569
DWT: Yard No: 362
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: 198.1 Country of build: GBR
Beam: 22.0 Builder: John Brown
Material of build: Location of yard: Clydebank
Number of screws/Mchy/ Speed(kn): 2Q-18
Subsequent History: 33 TAISEIYO MARU
Disposal Data: BU Osaka 28.3.33



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http://www.chriscunard.com/caronia1.php


Απο το Caronia εχουμε ολοκληρο φιλμ της British Pathé απο το 1920 http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=79844

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[Nicholas Peppas]

Ψευτες οι κυριοι... Ουτε το Carpathia ειχε ποτε τεσσερα φουγαρα! Και το λυπηρον ειναι οτι οι πρακτορες χρησιμοποιουσαν το οτι το πλοιο ειχε σωσει πολλους ναυαγους του Τιτανικου, για να τραβηξουν μεταναστες!!!

23/7/1914

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Απο το Carpathia εχουμε ολοκληρο φιλμ της British Pathé απο το 1911 καθως επιστρεφει απο τον Ατλαντικο στην Νεα Υορκη http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=74776

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Miramar



Year: 1903
Name: CARPATHIA Keel:
Type: Passenger/cargo (rf) Launch Date: 6.8.02
Flag: GBR Date of completion: 4.03
Tons: 13564 Link: 1488
DWT: Yard No: 274
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: 164.5 Country of build: GBR
Beam: 19.7 Builder: Swan & Hunter
Material of build: Location of yard: Wallsend
Number of screws/Mchy/ Speed(kn): 2Q-16
Disposal Data: sm/t (U55) 170nm WxN Bishop Rock



Το πλοιο χαθηκε το 1918

[Nicholas Peppas]

Στην προηγουμενη διαφημιση του 1914 υπαρχει αναφορα και στο χειροτερο πλοιο της Cunard, το Ultonia!!! Τι αθλιο πλοιο! Για διαβαστε αυτη την αναλυση απο την παρα κατω πηγη και κοιταξτε ιδιως τι λεει εδω.... Primarily designed for cattle and cargo, the Ultonia could also carry considerable numbers of passengers


http://www.oulton.com/cwa/newsships.nsf/45cc5cb7c20526ef85256529004f20f0/f0cd1951323753e58525763d0029d967!OpenDocument



The Unhappy Ship Ultonia 1898http://www.oulton.com/icons/ecblank.gifhttp://www.oulton.com/icons/ecblank.gif "Don Hazeldine"
09/26/2009
http://www.oulton.com/icons/ecblank.gifhttp://www.oulton.com/icons/ecblank.gif
Some ships are happy ships throughout their careers; others have no end of
difficulties, and are very unhappy. One of the latter was the Cunard Line
steamer Ultonia.
On November 12, 1898, the new Cunard steamer Ultonia arrived in Boston on
her maiden voyage. Primarily designed for cattle and cargo, the Ultonia could
also carry considerable numbers of passengers. She was 513 feet long with
a 57 foot beam, and she had twin screws, registering 10,402 tons.
In June, 1905, the Ultonia faced her first major mutiny on a voyage between
New York and Fiume. The firemen balked at being switched from a four hour
watch to a six hour watch and struck. Faced with this situation, her Captain
ordered some of his Austrian crewmen to replace the striking firemen.
Having none of it, the Austrians attempted to beat up the British officers.
Resorting to their pistols, the officers and put the Austrians in irons, and
ordered the rest of the crew into the engine rooms at gun point, there to act
as firemen and stokers.
In 1911, the Chief Officer of the Ultonia and the Second Officer of the
Austrian ship Laura participated in a wireless chess match that lasted two
hours.
Even though the two ships never sighted each other, the match continued.
The Ultonia's Chief Officer won.
In a scene eerily reminiscent of the recently lamented Titanic, the Ultonia
under the command of Captain Prothero struck ice on her first trip of the
1912 season, from Southampton to Montreal. She struggled into Halifax having
lost one propeller in the prevailing "phenomenal ice conditions," which existed
that year. Her 1,200 passengers disembarked at Halifax for transit to their
ultimate destinations in Canada and the US. She had departed Southampton on
April 28, and arrived at Halifax May 6. She departed Halifax for Montreal on
May 8.
In 1915, the Ultonia had a tie-in with the loss of the Lusitania. Her
commander, Captain Malin, became ill, and the only available master was Captain
W.T. Turner, late of the Lusitania. At this time, the Ultonia was still
fully a Cunard ship, not being chartered to the Admiralty. By this time,
though, the Ultonia had become something of a joke in shipping circles, being
described as ".the slowest vessel in the Cunard service in the Atlantic
trade, and has the record (sic) of taking twenty-three days from Gibraltar to New York."
Embarrassingly, the Ultonia closed out 1915 stuck in the mud at St Nazaire.
Four tugs released her from her position of shame.
1916 saw the Ultonia a victim of yet another mutiny among her crew. This
unhappy ship had a mixed crew of Spaniards, Bengalese, West Indians, Maltese,
Irish, and Americans. In this instance, the Spanish firemen decided after the
ship had sailed from Erie Basin to Boston, but before leaving New York
Harbour, that it was time for them to be paid off. Captain Turner, still in
command (what a demotion after commanding the Lusitania), anchored in the
vicinity of Liberty Island and summoned assistance. The New York police refused to do
anything about what Turner described as a "mutiny," but he sent his purser
ashore to the British consulate to get replacements for the Spanish being put
ashore. Most of the replacement crew, mostly Arabs and West Indians, were
from the recently sunk Industry, so the crewmen were pleased to be at sea again
so soon. No doubt, Turner was pleased to see the backs of the troublesome
Spanish, who had also caused trouble recently in St Nazaire in knife fights
with locals, which resulted in 12 of the Spanish crewmen in durance vile, and
three in the hospital.
On June 27, 1917, the unhappy life of the Ultonia was brought to an end by a
German submarine 190 miles Southwest of Fastnet. Lightly armed for
defensive purposes, her armament was of no use against the torpedo that gave no
notice of its approach. One man was killed.


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Miramar



Year: 1898
Name: ULTONIA Keel:
Type: Cargo ship Launch Date: 4.6.98
Flag: GBR Date of completion: 10.98
Tons: 8845 Link: 1488
DWT: Yard No: 228
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: 152.4 Country of build: GBR
Beam: 17.5 Builder: Swan & Hunter
Material of build: Location of yard: Wallsend
Number of screws/Mchy/ Speed(kn): 2T-13
Disposal Data: sm/t 48.25N/11.23W 27.6.17 (1*)

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IVERNIA

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20I/slides/Ivernia-03.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20I/slides/Ivernia-03.jpg

[Nicholas Peppas]

IVERNIA

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20I/slides/Ivernia-03.html


Το ηξερες; Και το IVERNIA εκανε ταξιδια απο τον Πειραια στην Νεα Υορκη. Ανακοινωση της 12ης Ιουλιου 1912


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[Nicholas Peppas]

Και εδω η πασιγνωστη καρτα που εξεδωσε η Cunard οταν τα πλοια της αρχισαν να εξυπηρετουν την Πατρα

And here is the famous postcard of a Cunarder in Patras

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[τοξοτης]

Η πασιγνωστη Cunard Line ερχοταν και στον Πειραια με ωρισμενα απο τα υπερωκεανεια της, ιδιως οταν οι Ελληνικες Ατμοπλοικες εταιρειες αρχισαν να εχουν πολλους επιβατες/μετανεστες.

Εδω το γνωστο πλοιο Caronia (6/2/1914)

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Και οχι, το Caronia δεν ειχε ποτε τεσερα φουγαρα! Κακομοιροι μεταναστες, τι σας παιζανε!

Για περισσοτερα στοιχεια εδω
http://www.chriscunard.com/caronia1.php

Miramar



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http://www.chriscunard.com/caronia1.php


Απο το Caronia εχουμε ολοκληρο φιλμ της British Pathé απο το 1920 http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=79844

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http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Caronia-05.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Caronia-05.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Caronia-09.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Caronia-09.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Caronia-15.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Caronia-15.jpg

[τοξοτης]

CARONIA

Απορία και ερώτηση προς τους ειδικούς :

Αυτό το CARONIA

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Caronia-16.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Caronia-16.jpg

μπορεί ναι είναι μετασκευή αυτού

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Caronia-09.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Caronia-09.jpg

ή είναι δύο διαφορετικά πλοία.

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CARPATHIA

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Carpathia-01.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Carpathia-01.jpg

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Carpathia-02.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Carpathia-02.jpg

[TSS QUEEN ANNA MARIA]

CARONIA

Απορία και ερώτηση προς τους ειδικούς :

Αυτό το CARONIA

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Caronia-16.html


μπορεί ναι είναι μετασκευή αυτού

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Caronia-09.html


ή είναι δύο διαφορετικά πλοία.

Ουδεμία σχέση φίλε Τοξότη. Το Caronia της πάνω φωτογραφίας ναυπηγήθηκε το 1949. Λεπτομέρειες εδώ : http://www.thegreatoceanliners.com/index2.html

[τοξοτης]

Ουδεμία σχέση φίλε Τοξότη. Το Caronia της πάνω φωτογραφίας ναυπηγήθηκε το 1949. Λεπτομέρειες εδώ : http://www.thegreatoceanliners.com/index2.html

Σε ευχαριστώ πολύ.

[Nicholas Peppas]

Να προσθέσω μιά λίγο πιό μεγάλη φωτ/φία και λίγο πιό καθαρή του
ULTONIA

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20U/slides/Ultonia-01.html


Ωραιοτατη και αγνωστη για μενα καρτ ποσταλ που την αρπαξα την περασμενη Παρασκευη στο mercatino της οδου Massimo d' Azeglio στην Παρμα της Ιταλιας

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[Nicholas Peppas]

Cunard 10/1/1914


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[τοξοτης]

Είδαμε τα ULTONIA , CARONIA , CARPATHIA.
Ας δούμε και το τέταρτο το FRANCONIA κατσκευής του 1923-20.172 g.t.

http://www.plimsollshipdata.org/search.php


http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20F/slides/Franconia-11.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20F/slides/Franconia-11.jpg

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20F/slides/Franconia-14.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20F/slides/Franconia-14.jpg


http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20F/slides/Franconia-16.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20F/slides/Franconia-16.jpg

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20F/slides/Franconia-21.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20F/slides/Franconia-21.jpg

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FRANCONIA (μέρος 2ο)

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20F/slides/Franconia-13.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20F/slides/Franconia-13.jpg

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20F/slides/Franconia-23.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20F/slides/Franconia-23.jpg

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20F/slides/Franconia-25.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20F/slides/Franconia-25.jpg

[Nicholas Peppas]

Και εδω το Σαξωνια στις 25 Ιουνιου 1914

Αναφερονται επισης το Παννονια και το Ιβερνια

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[τοξοτης]

Φαίνεται ότι η διαφήμιση τότε των υπερωκεανίων με 3 ή 4 τσιμινιέρες αντί 1ας ή 2 έπαιζε ψυχολογικό ρόλο.


SAXONIA

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saxonia-04.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saxonia-04.jpg

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saxonia-05.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saxonia-05.jpg

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saxonia-14.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saxonia-14.jpg

[Nicholas Peppas]

Φαίνεται ότι η διαφήμιση τότε των υπερωκεανίων με 3 ή 4 τσιμινιέρες αντί 1ας ή 2 έπαιζε ψυχολογικό ρόλο.
SAXONIA
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saxonia-04.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saxonia-05.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saxonia-14.html


Βεβαια, βεβαια... Και μαλιστα (οπως εγραψε και ο Αν. Τζαμτζης στο κλασσικο του εργο για τα ελληνικα υπερωκεανεια (1977), οι μεταναστες νομιζαν οτι :
1. οσο περισσοτερες τσιμινιερες τοσο πιο καλο και αβυθιστο ηταν το πλοιο, και
2. αν το ονομα του πλοιου ηταν αμερικανικο, οι διατυπωσεις για την εισοδο τους στην Αμερικη θα ηταν πιο απλες και πιο ευκολες (εξ' ου και πολλα γερμανικα και αυστριακα πλοια ειχαν αμερικανικα ονοματα)

[Nicholas Peppas]

Η Σαξωνια φευγει για την Αμερικη απο την Πατρα (29/12/1913)


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[ithakos]

Ευχαριστούμε πολύ.......αυτά είναι κειμήλια.

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Η Σαξωνια φευγει για την Αμερικη απο την Πατρα (29/12/1913)


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Λίγο <κρύο> αστείο

Η δημοσίευση είναι απο το Ριζοσπάστη ?? Γιατί το <Βασιλική> είναι υπο κατεδάφιση.

[Ellinis]

Στο cd Ψηφιακές Ναυπηγικές Καταγραφές που είχε αφιλοκερδώς διαθέσει ο Κωνσταντίνος Φιλίππου, υπάρχουν και οι δυο παρακάτω αφίσες με ανακοινώσεις δρομολογίων της Cunard.

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