Επιστροφή στο Forum : Διάφορα παλαιά υπερωκεάνια και Μεσογειακά [Various old ocean and Med liners]
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/ChandrisJPEGS/Romantica/ChanRomantica01.jpgΤο ΡΟΜΑΝΤΙΚΑ του Χανδρή στον Πειραιά, δεκαετία του ΄60. Στο βάθος το ΠΑΤΡΑ του Ευθυμιάδη και το ΙΣΘΜΙΑ της HML.
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/WhatShip/Piraeus02.jpg
Πειραιάς, δεκαετία 70.
Τα δυο πλοία μπροστα, ειναι τα Syria η Al Gazayer, που εκανε τη γραμμή Ελλάδα-Αίγυπτος, της United Arab Maritime και το Apollon XI της Ηπειρωτικής.
Στο βάθος ΦΑΙΣΤΟΣ (ex- MARIA GORTHON), και ΜΙΝΩΣ (ex- SOYA MARGARETA), του Ευθυμιάδη.
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/2HAPAG-Vintage/Moltke_1901-04.jpg
Το λιμάνι του Πειραιά, στις αρχές του προηγούμενου αιώνα.
Το μεγάλο πλοίο ειναι το Moltke, της εταιρείας HAPAG, που εκανε το δρομολόγιο Γένοβα-Πειραιάς.
Πηγή: http://www.simplonpc.co.uk
Apostolos
09-11-2007, 18:37
Μπορεί να διμιουργηθεί ένα νέο θέμα με κρουαζιερόπλοια και παλιά Liners?
Surriento (1949-66) Ναυπηγήθηκε το 1949 σαν Santa Maria, για την Grace Lines και μετέφερε 1055 επιβάτες.Το 1959 περιήλθε στην Ιταλική εταιρεία Lauro και ονομάσθηκε Surriento, όνομα που κράτησε μέχρι το 1966 που πήγε για διάλυση.Η γραμμή του ήταν Ιταλία-Καραιβική.
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/MSC_Lauro/Surriento02.jpg
Πηγή:http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/
Finnpartner_1966
14-11-2007, 17:43
Kala, se olo to forum mono 2 exoun agapimeno liner?? Eseie k. Apostole ti exete na proteinete??
Apostolos
15-11-2007, 11:48
To να προσθέσεις το Queen Elizabeth 2 σε αυτήν την λίστα το θεωρώ περιτό! Το ομορφότερο πλοίο του κόσμου. Αλλα για να κάνω την διαφορά θα πω για το Eugenio Costa http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/eugenio_c_1966_b_3.htm
Τι εκπλαγήκατε?
Apostolos
17-11-2007, 13:22
Εδώ φίλοι μου μπορούμε να ανεβάζουμε δικές μας ή άλλων φώτο με όμορφα liners που έγραψαν μικρή ή μεγάλη ιστορία! Και ας αρχήσουμε με τον ποίο φιμισμένο ΤΙΤΑΝΙΚΟ
Giorgos_D
10-12-2007, 15:16
Κάποιες φωτογραφίες παλιών liners και κρουαζιεροπλοίων στο διαλυτήριο... Πραγματικά ασχημο θέαμα...
http://www.benthic.ca/report.cfm?report=74
Apostolos
29-12-2007, 09:25
Το R.M.S Pendennis Castle στο Cape Town με το Table Mountain στο βάθος!
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Finnpartner_1966
30-12-2007, 09:48
To Pendennis Castle (1958-1980), για μενα, ηταν το πιο ομορφο πλοιο της Union Castle Line!!
Espresso Venezia
20-01-2008, 23:13
Μια φωτογραφία αφιερωμένη στον φίλο Mastrokostas, κι ας με στεναχώρησε με την ...τούρτα. :D:D:D
Το μόνο που ξέρω για την συγκεκριμμένη φώτο είναι ότι απεικονίζει την Νέα Υόρκη.
Όσοι πιστοί, .....αποκρυπτογραφήστε την !!! :)
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Finnpartner_1966
20-01-2008, 23:25
Πανευκολο! Independence-America-United States-Olympia-Αεροπλανοφορο-Mauretania (1939) ενα Saxonia class (?) & Queen Elizabeth που δενει! H φωτο ειναι μεταξυ 1954-1964 (1954 Saxonia class new-1964 πωληση Αmerica στο Χανδρη, μετονομασια ΑΥΣΤΡΑΛΙΣ).
Espresso Venezia
20-01-2008, 23:28
Παλικάρι μου δεν παίζεσαι με τίποτα !!!!! :D
Εγώ το μόνο που γνώριζα ήταν το QE (τρομάρα μου !!!). :(
mastrokostas
20-01-2008, 23:34
Μια φωτογραφία αφιερωμένη στον φίλο Mastrokostas, κι ας με στεναχώρησε με την ...τούρτα. :D:D:D
Το μόνο που ξέρω για την συγκεκριμμένη φώτο είναι ότι απεικονίζει την Νέα Υόρκη.
Όσοι πιστοί, .....αποκρυπτογραφήστε την !!! :)
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Φοβερή φωτογραφεία .Να είσαι καλά .Στα 4 χρόνια του Nautilia θα σου δώσω και το δικό μου κομμάτι .
Φαίνεται και το Olympia της Greek line .
Finnpartner_1966
20-01-2008, 23:49
Aγαπητε Μastrokosta, GREEK Line, oxi GREEN Line! Εspresso... Oτι αγαπαμε, το αναγνωριζουμε!!! Εχω ψαξει ωρες στο net για αυτα τα καραβια και για αλλες πολλες ομορφες "σαβουρες"!
mastrokostas
21-01-2008, 00:46
Aγαπητε Μastrokosta, GREEK Line, oxi GREEN Line! Εspresso... Oτι αγαπαμε, το αναγνωριζουμε!!! Εχω ψαξει ωρες στο net για αυτα τα καραβια και για αλλες πολλες ομορφες "σαβουρες"!
Δεν σας ξεφεύγει τίποτα !!!Ο δαίμων του πληκτρολογίου .Μεγάλος άνθρωπος είμαι κάνω και κάνα λάθος .
Να σας παρουσιασω και εγώ κάποια παλια liners της Adriatica απο επετειακές κάρτες της εταιρείας .
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Kαι το τότε Σοβιετικό LEONID SOBINOV στον ΟΛΠ το 1990.
Σκαρί του 1957 της τότε σπουδαίας Сunard, όταν βγήκε στο σφυρί το 1972 παραλίγο να το αγοράσει μαζί με το αδελφάκι του Franconia ο Χανδρής.
Περισσότερα εδώ (http://www.maritimematters.com/leonidsobinov.html) και εδώ (http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Saxonia1954.html).
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Επειδή είμαι πολέμιος των σημερινών ΜΠΑΟΥΛΩΝ και μιας και έχω στην διάθεση μου κάποιες καρτ-ποσταλ δημιουργημάτων της παλιάς Ιταλικής ναυπηγικής σχολής - γιατί η σημερινή βρώμησε και αυτή - είπα να σας τις ανεβάσω για να δούμε πραγματικά καράβια!
ΚΑΛΗ ΑΠΟΛΑΥΣΗ σε όλους.
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Finnpartner_1966
23-07-2008, 15:32
Γιατι τυχαινει και ειναι ολα Ιταλικα???:p:p
Γιατί Ιάλυσε, αυτές τις γραμμές δεν τις είχαν άλλα πλοία της εποχής τους!
Finnpartner_1966
23-07-2008, 15:42
Σε αυτο ισως εχεις δικιο. Τα Αγγλικα ηταν πιο συντηρητικα στις γραμμες τους. Οι Ιταλοι παντα ηταν λιγο μπροστα.
Σωστός! Καλά και τα Αγγλικά και τα Σκανδιναβικά αλλά σαν γραμμές ξεχώριζαν.
Κατά τη γνώμη μου ο Λεονάρδος ήταν ο πιο όμορφος όλων.
Όσο για τον Μιχαήλ και το Ραφαέλλο, κρίμα που τα πήρε τότε ο σάχης και χαθήκανε πρόωρα. Όταν τα πουλούσανε τα είχαν τσεκάρει τόσο ο Χανδρής όσο και η Carnival αλλά δεν τα πήρανε γιατί -νομίζω έτσι είχα διαβάσει κάπου- τα εσωτερικά τους ήταν δαιδαλώδη και θα χρειαζόντουσαν ριζική ανακατασκευή για να γίνουν κρουαζιερόπλοια.
Κρίμα πάντως γιατί θα μπορούσαν να είχαν αντέξει ως τις μέρες μας.
Έσπερε, οι εικόνες σου είναι θησαυρός! Πλοία στολίδια που δεν βαριέσαι να τα χαζεύεις. Τα Michelangelo και Raffaello ξεπερνάνε σχεδιαστικά πολλές πλωτές κούτες της εποχής μας. Οι τσιμινιέρες τους είναι αξεπέραστες!
nautikos
23-07-2008, 20:29
Οι Ιταλοι παντα ηταν μπροστα σε θεματα σχεδιασης και φινετσας, απο πλοια και αυτοκινητα, μεχρι ρουχα και αξεσουαρ. Ειδικα την εποχη εκεινη στη ναυπηγικη κανανε θαυματα. Ενα μοντελο του Cristoforo Colombo θυμαμαι οτι το ειχα δει καποτε στη βιτρινα ενος τουριστικου πρακτορειου μεταξυ Συνταγματος και Ομονοιας.
Espresso Venezia
24-07-2008, 12:12
Σωστός! Καλά και τα Αγγλικά και τα Σκανδιναβικά αλλά σαν γραμμές (τα ιταλικά) ξεχώριζαν.
..Οι Ιταλοι παντα ηταν μπροστα σε θεματα σχεδιασης και φινετσας, απο πλοια και αυτοκινητα, μεχρι ρουχα και αξεσουαρ..
Τώρα αν τα παραπάνω σχόλια τα κάνουν δύο μέλη σαν τον esperos και τον nautikos τι παραπάνω θα μπορούσα να προσθέσω εγώ ???
Τίποτα, μόνο να σας παραθέσω και μία φώτο από το ομορφότερο πλοίο (http://forum.nautilia.gr/showpost.php?p=93411&postcount=177) που πέρασε ποτέ από την χώρα μας :p, και το οποίο εκλάμπρυνε -εεεεεε εκλάμπρυνε βεβαίως βεβαίως- δια της παρουσίας του τις θάλασσες μας !!!!! :shock:
Aγαπητέ μου Espresso Venezia, να είσαι βέβαιος ότι και το πλοίο, του οποίου έχεις την τιμή να φέρεις το όνομα του ως nickname είναι από τα ωραιότερα αφού μπορώ να σου πώ ότι στην Ιταλία η σειρά αυτή των Ε/Γ-Ο/Γ είχε χαρακτηριστεί πετυχημένη. Να είσαι δε περήφανος γιατί τα πλοία αυτά ήταν παραγγελία ενός Έλληνα της Ιταλίας του Κεφαλλωνίτη την καταγωγή αειμνήστου Σπύρου Μαγκλιβέρα που είχα την τύχη να γνωρίσω προσωπικά στην Γένοβα της Ιταλίας.
Χαίρομαι δε σήμερα που τα τρία από τα τέσσερα περιήλθαν σε Ελληνικά χέρια αν και τα δύο από αυτά είναι ξενητεμένα και βρίσκονται σε άλλες θάλασσες.
Finnpartner_1966
24-07-2008, 14:15
Καλα ηταν, αλλα εγω προτιμω πιο κλασικουρες απο τα Ιταλικα. Ισως το Αndrea Doria & τα συγγενη, μαζι με Guglielmo Marconi-Galileo Galilei με τραβανε καπως!
Ιάλυσε, ξέρω την αλλεργία σου αλλά είσαι μειοψηφία:)
Espresso Venezia
24-07-2008, 17:29
Aγαπητέ μου Espresso Venezia, να είσαι βέβαιος ότι και το πλοίο, του οποίου έχεις την τιμή να φέρεις το όνομα του ως nickname είναι από τα ωραιότερα................
Καλέ μου φίλε Έσπερε (αλήθεια, τιμή μου να μπορώ να σε αποκαλώ φίλο), φαντάζομαι πως το παραπάνω σχόλιο σου που έχω παραθέσει έχει φιλολογική αξία και απευθύνεται σε ...''έτερα μη ευήκοα ώτα''. :D Μιας και γνωρίζεις ότι ο Πήγασος (μπούρδες το ''Εξπρές'') είναι το δεύτερο αγαπημένο μου πλοίο (το πρώτο είναι ένα φτωχό και ...καταφρονεμένο :oops:) και σίγουρα άλλωστε δεν διάλεξα στην τύχη το πρώτο του όνομα ως nickname μου.
Για να επανέλθουμε όμως στο θέμα μας (Παλαιά Liners) θα ήθελα να πω ότι τα πλοία που μας παρέθεσες από την παλιά ναυπηγική Ιταλική σχολή, τα θεωρώ ως ορισμό της ομορφιάς (μιλάω βέβαια για την εξωτερική εμφάνιση). Ο απόλυτος ορισμός του πλοίου, η απόλυτη καραβίσια ομορφιά.
Σε ευχαριστούμε και για τις φωτογραφίες, αλλά και για το ότι είσαι στην παρέα μας.
Finnpartner_1966
24-07-2008, 18:05
Kαλυτερα στην μειοψηφεια. Να εχω και κατι να λεω! :p:D
Επειδή κάποιες φορές γκρινιάζουμε για τις εικόνες που μας έρχονται από τα διαλυτήρια, ας σκεφτούμε πως υπάρχουν και χειρότερα...
Το 1959 το άλλοτε Γαλλικό βασιλοβάπορο ILE DE FRANCE, έφτασε για διάλυση στην Ιαπωνία. Τότε ναυλώθηκε σε κινηματογραφική εταιρεία για να χρησιμεύσει στα γυρίσματα της ταινίας "Τhe Last Voyage".
Εκεί ο ρόλος του ήταν ενός καραβιού -του Claridon- που μετά απο έκρηξη στα καζάνια βυθίστηκε. Μέχρι εδω καλά, έλα όμως που θέλανε να το κάνουνε αλληθοφανές και το βυθίσανε κανόνικα :(
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Και όχι μόνο το βυθίσανε αλλά του κάνανε και βασανιστήρια... :shock:
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Η βύθιση έγινε βέβαια σε ρηχά νερά οπότε μετά το τέλος της ταινίας, το ανελκύσανε και το διαλύσανε.
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Την ταινία την είδε φαίνεται και το συνομίληκο του BRITANIS (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=48132)και προτίμησε άλλο δρόμο ;)
sea_serenade
31-12-2008, 11:33
Και όχι μόνο το βυθίσανε αλλά του κάνανε και βασανιστήρια... :shock:
Ατιμωτικό τέλος για ένα τόσο όμορφο παπόρο, κρίμα.
Πολύ καλή δουλειά Ellinis, μπράβο!!!
TSS QUEEN ANNA MARIA
19-01-2009, 14:11
Γι' αυτό η French Line, όταν ήρθε η ώρα για να παροπλιστεί το Liberte το 1961, και έχοντας ακόμα νωπή την τραυματική εμπειρία του Ile de France, αρνήθηκαν την μίσθωσή του για κάποια ταινία του Holywood και το έστειλαν κατευθείαν στα διαλυτήρια.
Naias II
04-02-2009, 16:40
Σύναξη κολοσσών: 8 υπερωκεάνια στο λιμάνι της Νέας Υόρκης.Διακρίνονται τα μεγαλύτερα, Queen Mary,France and United States. Τα υπόλοιπα τα αναγνωρίζετε;
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TSS QUEEN ANNA MARIA
04-02-2009, 17:04
Λοιπόν, έχουμε και λέμε (από πάνω προς τα κάτω):
Independence (ή Constitution)
Hanseatic
United States
Bremen
France
Leonardo da Vinci
Queen Mary
Caronia
TSS QUEEN ANNA MARIA
04-02-2009, 17:15
Με διαψεύδω. Το τελευταίο με μία δεύτερη ματιά είναι ένα από τα τετράδυμα Saxonia-Sylvania-Carinthia-Ivernia.
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το ένα πιο ωραίο από το άλλο. Αν ήσουν εκεί με ένα εισητήριο στο χέρι, τι θα ήθελες να γράφει πάνω του;
Naias II
04-02-2009, 18:12
Πολύ δύσκολο μα πολύ να διαλέξω :D.
TSS QUEEN ANNA MARIA
04-02-2009, 18:13
FRENCH LINE-FRANCE
Nicholas Peppas
10-03-2009, 05:18
I have been debating if I should upload some of the photos or postcards of old liners of my collection. I decided to do it slowly and without comments due to time limitations. If others are interested they can do so.
Adriatic of White Star in 1912.
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Alsina of Societe Generale de Transports Maritimes a vapeur in 1930. Route of Marseilles to Sao Paolo
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French ship Amazone 1904
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Anchises of the Blue Funnel Line of Liverpool in 1920
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Andes to South America from Southampton, UK
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Nicholas Peppas
10-03-2009, 05:34
Angola in 1948 and later
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The notorious Santa Maria in an impressive 1953 postcard
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Nicholas Peppas
10-03-2009, 05:36
Angra do Heroismo from Lisbon, Portugal
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Atlantic
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Ceramic
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Nicholas Peppas
10-03-2009, 05:38
Arawa
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Arundel in Dieppe, France in 1906
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Asie was serving Indochina etc. Here in 1912
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Byron of Lampolt & Holt Lines in 1903
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Britania of the Cyprien Fabre Lines of France. see also http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=51661&page=2
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Nicholas Peppas
10-03-2009, 06:15
Bordeaux in 1905
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Bernstorff in 1920
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Australien of the Messageries Maritimes
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Baloeran of Rotterdam Lloyd
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Nicholas Peppas
10-03-2009, 06:43
Baltrover 1930
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President of the Pacific Coast Steamship Co in 1907
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Prinz Ludwig in 1912
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Providence of Cyprien Fabre Lines in 1921
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Nicholas Peppas
10-03-2009, 06:44
Benguela
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Burgermester von nelle. What is this?
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Calgaric
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The seldom seen Cap Roca in 1914
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Nicholas Peppas
10-03-2009, 06:57
The wonderful and tragically lost Champollion of the Messageries Maritimes
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Chella in 1937
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Cote d' Emeraude was not exactly an ocean liner, serving mostly St Malo, France and down the coast, but she is worth preserving here. This is a 1913 postcard
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Oceanic 1907
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Nicholas Peppas
12-03-2009, 23:00
Oceanien of Messageries Maritimes in 1907
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Olympic of the White Star Lines in 1935
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Oravia in 1905
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Oropesa in 1908
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Τι φανταστικά καράβια, τι απίστευτες γραμμές... Όχι σαν τα σημερινά κουτιά!! Ευχαριστούμε Νίκο!!
Nicholas Peppas
12-03-2009, 23:33
Τι φανταστικά καράβια, τι απίστευτες γραμμές... Όχι σαν τα σημερινά κουτιά!! Ευχαριστούμε Νίκο!!
S'euxaristw. Eisai o prwtos pou ta phre xampari. N
Nicholas Peppas
13-03-2009, 03:02
Duca degli Abruzzi photo of 1924
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Principe di Udine photo of 1924
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Rembrandt in a 1913 photo
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Sant' Anna in an impressive 1909 postcard
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The Cunarder Saxonia in 1911
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Nicholas Peppas
13-03-2009, 03:08
Ophir photo of 1907
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Orinoco
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Orontes
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Nicholas Peppas
13-03-2009, 03:17
Pakeha
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Pascal Paoli
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A wonderful postcard of a drawing of Preussen (Prussia) by H.D. Lloyd
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Re Vittorio in a 1910 photo
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Venezia of 1910
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Nicholas Peppas
13-03-2009, 04:43
Three postcards of the great Saturnia, so much remembered for her stops in Patras...
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Nicholas Peppas
13-03-2009, 05:00
A truly unuausual postcard from Scilla of Navigazione Generale Italiana, the United Company formed by Florio and Rubattino. This is a truly old passenger ship, built by MacNab in Greenock in 1866 and having then just 990 tons. Latter it was modified and increased to 1,214 tons! She was sunk by a torpedo from a German U-boat close to Kalymnos in 1915, age 55!
She served mostly the Mediterranean trade, especially from Palermo to Crete and Dodecanessos.
The postcard is written by a Greek emigrant
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Nicholas Peppas
13-03-2009, 05:04
The beautiful Cunarder Scythia in 1930. Also interior of Scythia or her sister ships
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Serpa Pinto in two reincarnations, in 1915 (first photo) and an undated photo. Serpa Pinto was a Portuguese explorer of the 19th century.
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Nicholas Peppas
13-03-2009, 05:12
The Sicilian of the Allen Line in 1907
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The Soebing of the Rotterdam Lloyd in 1903
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Sofia Hohenberg
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Sophocles of the Aberdeen Line in 1924. Sophocles had 13,900 tons and was doing the South Africa and Australia trade
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Nicholas Peppas
13-03-2009, 05:28
Souirah of Compagnie Paquet in 1915. Her story can be read below from http://pages14-18.mesdiscussions.net/pages1418/Forum-Pages-d-Histoire-aviation-marine/marine-1914-1918/souirah-compagnie-paquet-sujet_139_1.htm
SOUIRAH Transport de troupes (1915 – 1918)
Chantier :
D.J. Dunlop & Co, Glasgow, Grande-Bretagne
Commencé : 1901
Mis à flot : 10.1901
Terminé : 1901
En service : 09.1915
Retiré : 1918
Caractéristiques : 5 300 t ; 2 539 tjb ; 1 586 tjn ; 3 135 tpl ; 93 x 12,44 x 7,76 m ; 1 800 cv ; 11,5 nds ; 2 chaudières cylindriques ; machine alternative à triple expansion ; 1 hélice ; 1 cheminée ; coque acier.
Observations :
Paquebot mixte de la Compagnie de Navigation Paquet
1901 : construit par D. J. Dunlop & C° de Glasgow pour la China Manilla S. S. (USA) sous le nom de ZAFIRO
1915 : acheté par la Compagnie Paquet et rebaptisé SOUIRAH
09.1915 : francisé et réquisitionné par l’Etat dès sa mise en service
1919 : mis en service sur la ligne de la Mer Noire dès la réouverture de la ligne
06.05.1920 : attaqué par des pirates embarqués avec les émigrants après l’appareillage de Batoum qui pillent équipage et passagers, le butin est estimé à 2 millions de francs
02.03.1930 : les remorqueurs MARSEILLAIS 29 et 30 réussissent à ramener dans le port de Sète le navire en détresse à la suite de la rupture de ses chaînes d’ancres et par très mauvais temps d’Est
11.1930 : vendu à un armateur turc d’Istamboul, Denizcilik Bankasi T.A.O. qui le rebaptise ERZURUM
1963 : démoli à l’âge très vénérable de 62 ans.
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Nicholas Peppas
13-03-2009, 05:32
For some reason I adore the old ships of the Deutsche Ost Afrika Linie. These were the ships going from Bremen or Hamburg, Germany, to Tanganika and Zanzivar...
Here is the Tabora
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And here is the 9,000 ton Ubena
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Nicholas Peppas
13-03-2009, 05:37
Two photos of Tommaso di Savoia, the first from 1912 and the second from 1924! Tommaso di Savoia (1178-1233) was a famous prince of the Savoy dynasty of Piedmont in NW Italy
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Belvedere
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Alsace in 1902. Isn't she beautiful?
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Nicholas Peppas
13-03-2009, 05:50
The Portuguese had some great ships as well for travel to the colonies, Cape Verde and south all the way to Angola and Mozambique...
Here is their pride and glory, the 1959 Infante Dom Henrique, in two wonderful postcards. Her story can be found in http://www.oceanlinermuseum.co.uk/Infante%20dom%20Henrique%20History.html
The ship is named after Infante Dom Henrique (1394-1460) the most famous Portuguese, the most important navigator in the early days of the Potuguese empire. What a glorious tribute!
But regrettably even she ended up in Alang, India in January 2004... Will our Olympia have the same fate?
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Three postcards of the great Saturnia, so much remembered for her stops in Patras...
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Θα ήταν εκπληκτικό να δεις ένα τέτοιο θηρίο στην Πάτρα εκείνη την εποχή!! Καταπληκτική εικόνα!!!
Nicholas Peppas
13-03-2009, 13:19
Θα ήταν εκπληκτικό να δεις ένα τέτοιο θηρίο στην Πάτρα εκείνη την εποχή!! Καταπληκτική εικόνα!!!
Vulcania (1928-68, Cantiere Navale Triestino Monfalcone, 23,970 tons, 19 knots, 310-1st, 460-2nd, 310-tourist class and 700-3rd class passengers; Caribia after 1965, scrapped in 1974) and Saturnia (1927-66, Cantieri Monfalcone, 23,970) were great Italian ships, very kalotaxida, and always special to travelers. I remember the great praises of the Patraic businessmen and others who had used them.
Τον καιρό που βρικόσουν στην Πάτρα Νίκο ποια πλοία θυμάσαι να κάνουν Πάτρα-Ιταλία?!? Ήταν το ίδιο μεγάλα?
TSS QUEEN ANNA MARIA
13-03-2009, 14:34
Trackman, δεν νομίζω ότι τα Vulcania/Saturnia έκαναν ποτέ Πάτρα-Ιταλία. Σαν μεταναστευτικά ξεκινούσαν την γραμμή της Β. Αμερικής από Ιταλία (Τριέστη νομίζω) με στάση στην Πάτρα για να πάρουν μετανάστες.
Nicholas Peppas
13-03-2009, 14:52
Trackman, δεν νομίζω ότι τα Vulcania/Saturnia έκαναν ποτέ Πάτρα-Ιταλία. Σαν μεταναστευτικά ξεκινούσαν την γραμμή της Β. Αμερικής από Ιταλία (Τριέστη νομίζω) με στάση στην Πάτρα για να πάρουν μετανάστες.
As all of us I am sure Trakman knows that both ships were going to Genova or Naples, then New York. K
Trackman, δεν νομίζω ότι τα Vulcania/Saturnia έκαναν ποτέ Πάτρα-Ιταλία. Σαν μεταναστευτικά ξεκινούσαν την γραμμή της Β. Αμερικής από Ιταλία (Τριέστη νομίζω) με στάση στην Πάτρα για να πάρουν μετανάστες.
As all of us I am sure Trakman knows that both ships were going to Genova or Naples, then New York. K
Το ξέρω αυτό, όπως σωστά ανέφερε ο Νίκος (ευχαριστώ!!)! Δεν εννοούσα ότι έκαναν Πάτρα-Ιταλία! Το ερώτημά μου στον Νίκο ήταν άσχετο με το θέμα, αφορούσε τα πλοία της γραμμής. Έτσι, μιας και το έφερε η κουβέντα, τον ρώτησα αν ήταν έτσι μεγάλα και τα πλοία της γραμμής που θυμάται όταν κάποιο καλοκαίρι (το '69 αν θυμάμαι καλά?) ήταν στην Πάτρα. Όπως και να'χει συγγνώμη για το μπλέξιμο και ευχαριστώ για τη διευκρίνηση!;)
Appia_1978
13-03-2009, 20:13
Ευχαριστούμε πολύ Νίκο!!!
Μήπως ξέρεις για ποια εταιρεία ταξίδευε το Ophir;
Ophir photo of 1907
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Nicholas Peppas
13-03-2009, 20:22
Ευχαριστούμε πολύ Νίκο!!!
Μήπως ξέρεις για ποια εταιρεία ταξίδευε το Ophir;
Ophir was an Orient Steamship ship. She was employed in the route London, Aden, Colombo, Australia. She was there from 1891 to 1915. She took her name from a district in New Zealand.
Built at Napier shipyards in Govan, 6,910 tons, 141.7 m and 16.3 m wide. Scrapped at Troon after World War I (August 1921)
Appia_1978
13-03-2009, 21:23
Merci, Nico!
Nicholas Peppas
14-03-2009, 06:49
Tirrenia
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Baron Gautsch of the Austrian Lloyd
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Eugene Peirere of the Compagnie Transatlantique in Algiers in 1909
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Duca d'Aosta in 1910 and then in 1920
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Good morning, refering the picture of Tirrenia, the name of ship is CITTA' DI NAPOLI, built in 1930/5418 GRt and sunk on november 28 1942 near Capo San Vito during a voyage from Bizerte to Palermo.
Regards.
Henry Casciaro
14-03-2009, 13:48
Good morning, refering the picture of Tirrenia, the name of ship is CITTA' DI NAPOLI, built in 1930/5418 GRt and sunk on november 28 1942 near Capo San Vito during a voyage from Bizerte to Palermo.
Regards.
Starce, I found this Tirrenia postcard of Citta di Tunisi of 1930 (5,474 gt). Must be a sister ship of the Citta di Napoli which you mention. However it is strange that in my reference books there is no mention of a sister ship or of a Citta di Napoli built in 1930 (only the later one of 1961), could it be that it was the same ship and the name was changed?
The Citta di Tunisi was air conditioned and re engined in 1951 and her route is shown as Naples-Reggio-Catania-Syracuse-Valetta-Tripoli........interesting to note that the hulls were later painted in all white in common with the more modern Tirrenia vessels.
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Dear Henry I confirm that Tunisi was sistership of Napoli and Genova. The only one survived after WWII was the Tunisi on the route from you mentioned and on Napoli/Palermo e vv. until 1970 year of retired. Tirrenia had later another Citàdi Napoli sister of Città di Nuoro built in 1961 and 1962 on the route Civitavecchia/Olbia and vv.
Please send me yr email and will send you all pictures you need as photos are copyright and I can't insert on the forum.
P.S. The Tunisi for only two years changed name in HEIDELBERG due WWII reasons.
At yr disposal. Best regards.
Raimondo.
Nicholas Peppas
14-03-2009, 16:24
Postcard of City of Durban of the Ellerman Lines. She is the second of three Ellerman ships to have been named City of Durban. There were four sister ships, the others being City of Port Elizabeth, City of Exeter and City of York.
City of Durban was built in Vickers-Armstrongs shipyards and launched in 1953. She had 11,000 tons, a length of 152 m, width of 21.7 m and service speed of 17 knots. Her maiden voyage was London to Las Palmas, Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, East London (South Africa), Durban and Beira (Mozambique) in May 1954.
In 1971 she was sold along with her sisters to M. A. Karageorgis, (Mundail Armadora S.A., Panama), when she was renamed Mediterranean Dolphin. She was to have undergone conversion to a passenger ferry as were the City of Exeter and City of York. City of Durban and City of Port Elizabeth however remained laid up in Greece until sold for breaking.
City of Durban arrived at Kaohsiung to be broken up on March 30, 1974. (Most of this information taken from books and writings of Duncan Hawes and from Miramar, NZ).
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Nicholas Peppas
14-03-2009, 16:57
Colusa was and American cargo ship of the New York & Pacific S.S.Co Ltd, London that was taking also about 50 passengers in the long trip from San Francisco to Southeast Asia. Built in 1913 at Hamilton shipyards, she had 5,732 tons and a service speed of 12 knots. Length 124 m and width of 16.8 m
The shiplist.com has her chartered from Grace Line. In 1914 she renamed Santa Cecilia. In 1931 she was sold to Rederi A/S Nidaros (A.L. Ombustvedt, Manager) and renamed Nidaros. Finally, in 1933 she was sold to Norway and named Lyngenfjord
She was wrecked 15 miles west of Cape St Francis on January 14, 1938.
See also http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=19429
Here in a very rare 1914 postcard (she was with Pacific for only one year)
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Nicholas Peppas
14-03-2009, 17:31
An unknown vessel of the Federal Steam Navigation Company
See story in http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/federal.html
1922 postcard
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Deseado, a 1911-34 Royal Mail Steam Packet Company ship (11,475 tons)
Other postcards and story in http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/RMSP2.html#anchor190446
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The White Star Doric in 1920
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Dunvegan Castle of the Union Castle Co
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Nicholas Peppas
14-03-2009, 18:15
Euphrate of Messageries Maritimes. Built in 1905 and lost in 1915 at Socotra island in Persian gulf. 6,876 tons
Nice postcards of hers in http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/euphrate.htm
For those who do not know the collector Philippe Ramona, he is a deep researcher of postcards and pictures of old French passenger ships, especially those of the Messageries Maritimes, where he has the best collection in the world. One can spend days looking at old the wonderful ships he has placed in his extensive Web site http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/p1mm.htm
He has 2,900 photos on his site! Among others, you will find some that turned out to become Greek, like Pierre Loti http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/ploti2.htm , etc
CHECK
Ships before 1871 http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/avant70.htm
Ships between 1871 and 1918 http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/avant18.htm
Ships between 1918 and 1945 http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/18-45.htm
Ships after 1945 http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/18-45.htm
Philippe is also a great friend of Greece. You may find some of his Greek photos in http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/lac.htm
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More from Philippe Ramona's invaluable site
Ferdinand de Lesseps, later Delphi
http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/ferdi.htm
Jean Laborde, later Mykinai and Oceanos
http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/jlabord2.htm
General Duchesne, later Maroussio Goulandris, a cargo ship
http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/genduchB.htm
Lieutenant de Latour, later Cleophie Ioanne, a cargo ship
http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/latour.htm
Bourdonnais, later Knossos
http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/bourdon.htm
Pierre Loti, later Olympia, Patra, Chrysovalandou, Eros
http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/ploti2.htm
Chef Mechanicien Mailhol, later Maleas and Theodoros Koumantaros, a cargo ship
http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/cmmailhol.html
Docteur Pierre Benoit, later Mount Kassion, a cargo ship
http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/dpben.htm
Nicholas Peppas
15-03-2009, 00:55
Enjoy a video about old liners....
http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?p=181851#post181851
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SAVE THE OLYMPIA (Urgent March 14, 2009)
Watch this last video produced by Peter Knego about the last days of our Olympia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KofFKsklUOs or http://www.maritimematters.com/video.html
Nicholas Peppas
15-03-2009, 02:46
The story of Principessa Jolanda is known to everybody who cares about ocean liners. What a sad ship... Here is her story in 8 small photos
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Nicholas Peppas
15-03-2009, 02:48
The story of Principessa Jolanda The next 4 photos
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Για όσους δεν γνωρίζουν το ατύχημα έγινε το 1097 στα ναυπηγία Riva Trigoso της Ιταλίας. Και ο λόγος;
Italian liner Principessa Jolanda sinks during launch because of defective ballasting and errors in calculations. Moreover many portholes were left open, and a donkey boiler exploded for the flood. ...
The wreckage of Principessa Jolanda was scrapped,engines salvaged were reutilized.
Πηγή (http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/historic-images-principessa-jolanda-sinks-at-launch/)
Henry Casciaro
15-03-2009, 14:07
The story of Principessa Jolanda The next 4 photos
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Nicholas, many thanks for this fascinating account. How strange that it foundered at launching and what a shame as she was quite beautiful. Did she belong to an Italian company? as have never heard of her before.
Thanks once again for sharing your extensive archives!
Thanks Henry.
Nicholas Peppas
21-03-2009, 08:33
Nicholas, many thanks for this fascinating account. How strange that it foundered at launching and what a shame as she was quite beautiful. Did she belong to an Italian company? as have never heard of her before.
Thanks once again for sharing your extensive archives!
Thanks Henry.
Dear Henry
La principessa was the quasi-sister of Principessa Mafalda and both belonged to Lloyd Italiano.
Principessa Jolanda was a steel single screw steamer with six cemented bulkheads and a cellular double bottom. She was just 2,879 tons gross and was 296.6 feet long, and 42 foot wide She was built in Cantieri Navali Riuniti of Ancona and "launched" in 1907.
For the record, Jolanda was the second daughter of King Vittorio Emmanuele II of Italy (of Savoia) and his Queen Elena of Montenegro. The first daughter was Mafalda who married Phillip of Hessen. She found tragic death in Buchenwald on August 28, 1944.
As luck (or misfortune) has it Principessa Mafalda (see below) capsized in Argentina in 1927! So, both maritime sisters had the same end...
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Henry Casciaro
21-03-2009, 13:12
Nicholas,
Thanks once again for your detailed explanation on these two very interesting vessels. It is always a pleasure to read your valuable contributions to this forum
Cheers, Henry.
Nicholas Peppas
21-03-2009, 15:55
SS Excalibur was one of the "Four Aces" built for American Export Lines and was a cargo passenger liner. The company went through various reorganizations, becoming American Export Lines in 1936. There were two sets of the "Four Aces". The first, built in 1931 in Camden NJ, served as military transports during the war. All were lost except for Exhchorda (see below).
The second set were built in 1944. Here is Excalibur of the second set in 1963
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And here is an ad of American Export Lines from April 15, 1955. This ad is relevant to Greek immigration
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Here is the early Exochorda in 1935. Built in 1931 in Camden, NJ, with 9,359 tons, 138 m long and 18.8 m wide. She had speed of 18 knots. During World War II she became Harry Lee and then was sold or given to Turkish interests and named Tarsus. She caught fire in Istanbul in 1960 and scrapped locally.
There was a second post-war Exocorda built in 1944 as Dauphin, becoming Exochorda in 1948, Stevens in 1967 and sunk in 1975.
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Also Exeter of the same line.
Built as Shelby in 1945 in Sparrow Point, PA by Bethlehem, she was 7,335 tons, 144 m long, 20.1 m wide with 16.5 knots speed. Named Exeter in 1948 and Oriental Pearl in 1965. Scuttled in 1974
There was an earlier US Exeter built in 1931 (9,360 tons) and lost in 1942 during the War.
Here the newer Exeter in 1965
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Nicholas Peppas
21-03-2009, 16:26
The Empress of Russia of the Canadian Pacific (here shown in a 1923 postcard) was built in 1913 by Fairfield in Govan, Scotland. She had 16,810 tons, a length of 173.8 m and a width of 20.8 m. Her service speed was 19.3 knots! She was lost after a fire in September 1945.
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Nicholas Peppas
21-03-2009, 16:44
Ernest Simons of Messageries Maritimes had a rather short history.
Built in La Ciotat for Messageries Maritimes in 1893, she had 5,543 tons, length of 135 m and width of 14.4 m. Her speed was an impressive (for that period) 17 knots. She could carry 110 in first class, 78 in second, 79 in third, and 103 in steerage. She spent all her life in the Indochina, China and Japan route (from Marseilles)
She was torpedoed at Cape Bon on April 3, 1917. See http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/ernes7.jpg
Our friend Philippe Ramona has more photos on his site http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/ernest.htm
Look especially at this http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/ernes9.jpg and that http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/ernes8.jpg
Here is my postcard
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Nicholas Peppas
21-03-2009, 17:04
And now for something different. Here is the interior of Espagne of the Compagnie Generale Transatlantique, Le Havre, known also as the French Line. Built in August 1910 by Chantiers and Ateliers de Provence at Port de Bouc and scrapped in May 1934 at St Nazaire, she had a tonnage of 11,155, length of 163,9 m, width of 18.5 m and a slow service speed of 15 knots
When put in service in October 1910 on the line of Mexico, she was the largest steamer on the lines to the West Indies and the Central America. Later she was placed in the regular route to New York, departing Le Havre (1912-15) then from Bordeaux. From 1916-19, she was used as a transport of troops. In 1920, she was back in service on the route to Mexico, where she served until 1931. She was laid up in 1932 as the Mexico route dried out. She was sold for demolition in Saint-Nazaire in 1934.
Here, the first postacrd from 1919, the second undated.
See simplon for additional photos http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/CGT_PCs_04.html#anchor161129
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Nicholas Peppas
21-03-2009, 17:20
Here is a rare Danish postcard of Frederik VIII around 1921.
She was built in Germany, at Vulcan Werke in Stettin and was launched on February 27, 1913. She had 11,850 tons with a length of 160 m and a width of 19 m. Her service speed was 17.2 knots. She finished at Blyth in November 1936
Used a lot for the Oslo-New York run. See http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=fredv
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34149The Great Eastern (1860 - 1888)
Πηγές www.maxon.net (http://www.maxon.net) -www.physics.gla.ac.uk - www.physics.gla.ac.uk (http://www.physics.gla.ac.uk) - www.nmm.ac.uk/library/2007/12/ (http://www.nmm.ac.uk/library/2007/12/)
Το SS Gothic
www.ssmaritime.com/corinthic.htm (http://www.ssmaritime.com/corinthic.htm)
http://www.ssmaritime.com/gothic-01.jpg
images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au
http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/sep1999/normal/AUTAS001126070689.jpg
Το SS Homeric
www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=homer (http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=homer)
http://www.norwayheritage.com/gallery/gallery/Steamship_Companies/White_Star_Line/homeric.jpg (http://www.norwayheritage.com/gallery/gallery.asp?action=viewimage&categoryid=6&text=&imageid=351&box=&shownew=)
http://www.norwayheritage.com/gallery/gallery/Steamship_Companies/White_Star_Line/homerc-lounge.jpg (http://www.norwayheritage.com/gallery/gallery.asp?action=viewimage&categoryid=6&text=&imageid=352&box=&shownew=)
pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx?CID=is... (http://pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx?CID=isg&mediauid=%7BF6E991DE-E948-4042-9DD7-647B726033BA%7D)
Captain Barends of the Augusta Victoria.
http://www.gjenvick.com/images/1895-CaptainBarendsOfTheAugustaVictoria.jpg
Το SS Imperator (Berengaria) 1913-1938
pagesperso-orange.fr/.../emigration.htm (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/ipotesti-suceava/emigration.htm)
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/ipotesti-suceava/images/emiss_imperator.jpg
www.history.navy.mil/.../i03000/i03645c.htm (http://www.history.navy.mil/.../i03000/i03645c.htm)
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/i03000/i03645.jpg
Το SS Imperator (Berengaria) 1913-1938
pagesperso-orange.fr/.../emigration.htm (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/ipotesti-suceava/emigration.htm)
www.history.navy.mil/.../i03000/i03645c.htm (http://www.history.navy.mil/.../i03000/i03645c.htm)
Στη 2η φωτο φαίνεται και ο αυτοκρατορικός αετός που κοσμούσε την πλώρη του. Κάτι που αφαιρέθηκε μετά απο λίγο καιρό μιας και έπαθε ζημιές σε μια καταιγίδα.
Το SS Homeric
www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=homer (http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=homer)
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pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx?CID=is... (http://pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx?CID=isg&mediauid=%7BF6E991DE-E948-4042-9DD7-647B726033BA%7D)
Είναι δύο διαφορετικά πλοία. Το πλοίο στην πρώτη φώτο είναι το Homeric της White Star Line, ενώ στη 2η είναι της Home Lines του Ευγενίδη.
Το Stockholm (1948 - )
Πηγή : www.ssmaritime.com (http://www.ssmaritime.com)
http://www.ssmaritime.com/Stockholm-1.jpg
Το ANDES/ATLANTIS
Πληροφορίες-Πηγή :
shawsavillships.co.uk/atlantis.htm (http://shawsavillships.co.uk/atlantis.htm)
Το OROPESA
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Πηγή
www.uboat.net/allies/merchants/ships/738.html (http://www.uboat.net/allies/merchants/ships/738.html)
Στην πιό κάτω δ/νση πλοία που το όνομά τους έχει παρθεί απο την Ελληνική μυθολογία
www.merchantnavyofficers.com/bfhist2.html (http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/bfhist2.html)
όπως για παράδειγμα
MYRMIDON
http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/BlueFunnel/myrmidon.jpg
LAERTES
http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/BlueFunnel/laertes49.jpg
AENEAS
http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/BlueFunnel/aeneas.jpg
και άλλα πολλά
Finnpartner_1966
30-03-2009, 13:06
Στην πιό κάτω δ/νση πλοία που το όνομά τους έχει παρθεί απο την Ελληνική μυθολογία
www.merchantnavyofficers.com/bfhist2.html (http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/bfhist2.html)
και άλλα πολλά
Tα περισσοτερα πλοια της Blue Funnel Line, αρχαιοελληνικα ονοματα ειχαν!!
Στη 2η φωτο φαίνεται και ο αυτοκρατορικός αετός που κοσμούσε την πλώρη του. Κάτι που αφαιρέθηκε μετά απο λίγο καιρό μιας και έπαθε ζημιές σε μια καταιγίδα.
Είναι δύο διαφορετικά πλοία. Το πλοίο στην πρώτη φώτο είναι το Homeric της White Star Line, ενώ στη 2η είναι της Home Lines του Ευγενίδη.
Διορθώθηκε
ILE DE FRANCE
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Πηγές :
www.frenchlines.com/ship_en_218.php (http://www.frenchlines.com/ship_en_218.php)
www.simplonpc.co.uk/CGT_Ile_De_France_1927.html (http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/CGT_Ile_De_France_1927.html)
www.newyorksocialdiary.com/node/192455/print (http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/node/192455/print)
Tα περισσοτερα πλοια της Blue Funnel Line, αρχαιοελληνικα ονοματα ειχαν!!
Το πιο πετυχημένο όνομα ήταν το CHARON :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Το SS Lusitania 1907-1915
Πηγές :
www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/history/plan_for_q... (http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/history/plan_for_quick_victory.htm)
www.west-dunbarton.gov.uk/onlinestories/theCl... (http://www.west-dunbarton.gov.uk/onlinestories/theClydebankStory/Photograph_Lusitania.htm)
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Το CAP ARCONA
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BISMARK - MAJESTIC II - CALEDONIA 1914-1940
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NAME
SS. BISMARCK (MAJESTIC II) (CALEDONIA)
CLASS: LINER
LAUNCHED JUNE 20th1914
BUILT BLOHM & VOSS / HAMBURG / GERMANY
WEIGHT 56,551 TONS
LENGTH 956 FEET
WIDTH 100 FEET
SPEED 23 KNOTS
PROPELLERS 4
ENGINES 4 - DIRECT ACTING STEAM TURBINES - 100,000 HP
Το liner FRANCE 1912-1935
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DEUTSCHLAND 1900-1925
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Deutschland/Victoria Luise/Hansa
1900 - 1925
http://www.thegreatoceanliners.com/Images/Gifs/letter_i.gifn order to snatch the Blue Riband of the Atlantic from Britain’s Campania and Lucania, the German shipping line Norddeutscher Lloyd, based at Bremen, commissioned the 14,000-ton Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse in 1897. As that ship was able to maintain an Atlantic crossing time of above 22 knots, the Blue Riband was in Germany’s hands before the year’s end. The Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse was the largest ship afloat, http://www.thegreatoceanliners.com/Images/Jpegs/deutschland01.jpgHAPAG's speed champion Deutschland.and her luxurious interiors attracted passengers from all over Europe. Her four funnels indicated safety and comfort for the average emigrant.
However, the Norddeutscher Lloyd was not the only German shipping line. The Hamburg-based Hamburg-Amerika Linie watched enviously as their archrival’s Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse took all the glory. Just as the rivalry between Britain’s Cunard Line and White Star Line, the German rivalry required a response from the other part. The Hamburg-Amerika Linie was not late in realising that to maintain their reputation they had to commission a ship to rival - and even outmatch - the Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse.
Ordered in the late 19th century, the new ship entered service on July 4, 1900. Hamburg-Amerika Linie had christened the new liner Deutschland. At over 16,000 tons she was the largest vessel ever constructed after White Star's 17,000-tonner Oceanic, not counting Isambard Brunel’s giant Great Eastern from 1860. The Deutschland had followed the Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse’s trend and sported four funnels divided in pairs. Her quadruple expansion engines connected to the two screws made the ship possible to average 23 knots over the Atlantic. The Deutschland immediately took the Blue Riband in possession at her arrival on the scene. The Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse proved too powerless to regain the prize, and there seemed to be no ship to threaten the Deutschland.
In the time of the century shift, the ocean liners were becoming ‘super liners’. This showed not only in size, but also in interior fitting. The Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse featured such elegance and luxury that its like had never been seen on the high seas. The Deutschland had followed - and bettered - this. The Hamburg-Amerika Linie ship could explain her fittings with one word: Vast. Even http://www.thegreatoceanliners.com/Images/Jpegs/deutschland02.jpgThe popular First Class Café on board the Deutschland.the vessel’s café had a squared glass dome in the high ceiling. This room became very popular among the passengers, but also the ship’s grillroom proved a success.
Even though a luxury liner, the Deutschland faced a common problem on board speed champions - vibrations. The rate of vibration at 23 knots was very disturbing among the passengers, and this resulted in a lower number of booked tickets. The Deutschland had the Blue Riband in her possession, but otherwise she had become a financial disaster.
In 1902, the Deutschland lost the Blue Riband to the newly commissioned Norddeutscher Lloyd liner Kronprinz Wilhelm. However, the Deutschland regained it the following year and kept it until the arrival of the British Cunard Line’s 31,000-tonners Lusitania and Mauretania in 1907. By then the Hamburg-Amerika Linie’s management had decided on aiming on size, stability and luxury only, not speed. That factor was left to the Norddeutscher Lloyd. By this the Deutschland was doomed. The truth was now that she was neither the largest nor the fastest any longer, and she had terrible vibration problems. This resulted in a complete refit in the years 1910-11. Her engines were replaced by far less powerful ones, to reduce the problem of vibration. The new task for the Deutschland was to cruise the West Indies, the Mediterranean and Scandinavia. The large ship emerged in 1911 as the luxury cruise ship Victoria Luise, with accommodation for 487 first-class guests. Her hull was painted in white, and she would receive the reputation of the finest cruise ship in the world.
The Victoria Luise remained in Germany during the hostilities between 1914-18. Due to engine problems she was not used as a troop-ship. When the war was lost in 1918, all of the major German liners were handed over to the victorious Allies, all but the former Deutschland. She was not of interest because of her operational problems. The impressive German fleet that had consisted of liners such as Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse, Amerika, Kaiserin Auguste Victoria, Imperator, Vaterland and http://www.thegreatoceanliners.com/Images/Jpegs/deutschland03.jpgIn 1921, the Deutschland emerged as the two-funnelled emigrant ship Hansa.the newly launched Bismarck were either sunk or handed over. The Victoria Luise was all that remained. Germany had to start all over from scratch and rebuild their fleets. The next German ships of distinction were the two sisters Bremen and Europa who appeared in the shift 1920-30. Because of yet another German-made war, these two liners were also lost; the Bremen destroyed by fire during that war, and the Europa handed over to France, renamed Liberté.
The Victoria Luise survived a bit in the twenties, but in 1921 she was refitted with two funnels and renamed Hansa. The Hansa was designed for the emigrant route, but as America had restricted its immigration-laws after the war, the ex-Deutschland was never fully satisfactory in her new role. In 1925, it was evident that the ship was old, and since no fit use could be given her she was sent to the scrappers in Hamburg that year.
The Deutschland/Victoria Luise/Hansa - Specifications:Length:684 feet (209 m)Beam:67 feet (20.5 m)Tonnage:16,502 gross tonsEngines:Quadruple expansion engines powering two propellers.Service speed:22 knotsPassengers:2,050 people
Liner EUROPA/LIBERTE
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liner LIBERTé
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liner Liberté
Design features
Liberté (steel liner) 1950 - 1962
hull material : ...................steel
previous name(s) of ship : ........europa
detailed type : ...................steel liner
type of propulsion : ..............4 propellers
building year of ship : ...........1928
name of shipyard : ................Blohm & Voss
place of construction : ...........Hambourg
year of entering the fleet : ......1950
length (in meters) : ..............270,70
width (in meters) : ...............31
gross tonnage (in tons) : .........51839
deadweight (in tons) : ............10420
type of engine : ..................4 single reduction triple expansion turbines sets
engine power (in HP) : ............105000
nominal speed (in Knots) : ........24,5
History
Ex-EUROPA built on behalf of the German company Noorddeutscher Lloyd. Sister-ship of the famous liner BREMEN, into service in 1929. Put into service on the shipping line Bremerhaven-New York in March 1930. Her delivery, foreseen in 1929, has been delayed for 10 months : in March 1929, as a matter of fact, she was the victim of a serious fire and scuttled when alongside her fitting out pier. She was deemed to be lost but will be rescued. Since her first trip between Bremerhaven and New York, EUROPA obtained the famous Blue Ribbon at the mean speed of 27,91 knots. This record will be improved, always in the east-west direction, in July 1933 before giving it up in August of the same year to the italian liner REX. Her sister-ship BREMEN will remain the record-holder in the east-west direction from july 1929 until August 1933. In 1933, her funnels are 5-meter heightened to improve the spreading of the smokes. In january 1937 in the North Sea, the liner rescued 3 crew members of the German tanker OLIFER. She leaves New York for the last time under the German flag on the 23th August 1939. During the war, is used as floating barracks in Bremerhaven. In the England invasion plans roughed out in 1940, she was deemed to act as a troop carrier. In 1942, she was subjected to a conversion into an aircraft carrier. In May 1945, she is seized by the US Navy. Between September 1945 and March 1946, is used as a troop carrier under the appellation AP177. In June 1946, granted to France as a compensation of the loss of NORMANDIE. Renamed LIBERTÉ, is towed to Le Havre to be reconditionned and quickly put into service on the line of New York. The ship is in a satisfactory condition. But on the 9th December, during an heavy storm she breaks her hawsers and just collides with the wrack of the liner PARIS, burnt down and capsized in April 1939. For the second time in her career, she sinks straightdown and must be refloated. After this crash, a protective wall will be erected in Le Havre in order to protect the repair workshops. It still exists. Refloated in April 1947. Due to the extensive damages, the Company decides to send her to the Penhoët Shipyards to undergo a complete overhaul. The inner accomodations are entirely changed. In October 1949, a fire (one again !) damages a large amount of the accomodations for passengers. The delivery is delayed for several months. Leaves Le Havre for her maidentrip to New York on the 17th August 1950. Joins on the line with DE GRASSE and ILE-DE-FRANCE. During the fifties, she is the greatest French liner and the third in the world after QUEEN ELISABETH and QUEEN MARY from the Cunard Line. In january 1954 her both funnels are modified and heightened. Completes her last trip to New York on the 2nd November 1961. The new liner FRANCE will take over in February 1962. Laid up in Le Havre then sold for scrap in December. Broken up at La Spezia, Italia in 1962.
WILHELM GUSTLOFF
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Wilhelm Gustlof forsvant i dypet i Østersjøen den 30. Januar 1945 under en reise fra Danzig-Bukta til Stettin etter å ha blitt torpedert av den Sovjetiske ubåten S-13 under kommando av Alexander Marinesko. Ombord på dette tidligere "Kraft Durch Freude" cruiseskipet befant det seg på denne siste reisen 10582 mennesker, deriblant mange sivile flykninger og sårede soldater fra kampene på Østfronten. I denne ulykken er det antatt at så mange som 9343 mennesker omkommer. En mer detaljert historie kan leses lengre ned på denne siden. Vraket av Wilhelm Gustlof er funnet, men er klassifisert som en krigsgrav og er derfor "off-limit" for de fleste dykkere. Se også senkingen av skipene General Von Steuben og Goya...
Wilhelm Gustlof disappeared in the deep in the Baltic sea 30. January 1945 under a journey from the Danzig bay to Stettin after having been torpedoed by the Soviet submarine S-13 under command of Alexander Marinesko. On board this former "Kraft Durch Freude" cruise ship there was on this last journey 10582 people, among them many civilian refugees and wounded soldiers from the fighting on the Eastern front. In this accident it is believed that as many as 9343 people perished A more detailed story can be read further down on this page. The wreck of Wilhelm Gustlof has been found, but is classified as an war grave and is therefore "off-limit" for most divers. Also see the sinking of the ships General Von Steuben and Goya...
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Wilhelm Gustlof
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Brt \ Nrt:Built:Homeport:Cargo:25484 \ ( D ) 1937( D )
http://www.skovheim.org/worldwide/baltic/gustlof/wgust1.jpgThe 25,484 ton German luxury cruise liner was built to carry 1,465 passengers and a crew of 400. The Gustloff and her sister ship Robert Ley were the world's first purpose-built cruise ships. The ship, now converted to a 500 bed hospital ship, set sail from the Bay of Danzig en route to the port of Stettin, overcrowded with 4,658 persons including 918 naval officers and men, 373 German Women Naval Auxiliaries, 162 wounded soldiers of whom 73 were stretcher cases, and 173 crew, all fleeing from the advancing Red Army. Just before midnight, as the ship plowed her way through the icy waters of the Baltic Sea, the ship was hit by three torpedoes from the Russian submarine S-13 (a German designed boat) commanded by Alexander Marinesko. The first torpedo hit the bow of the ship, the second, below the empty swimming pool on E-deck where the Women Auxiliaries were accommodated (most were killed) and the third hit amidships. Indescribable panic reigned as the ship listed and sank in about ninety minutes near the Danish island of Bornholm. Rescue boats picked from the stormy seas 964 survivors, many of whom were landed at Sassnitz on the island of Ruegen and taken on board the Danish hospital ship Prince Olaf which was anchored in the harbour. The exact number of drowned will never be known, as many more refugees were picked up from small boats as the Wilhelm Gustloff headed for the open sea and were never counted. (Latest research puts the number of people on board at 10,582) Many of the 964 persons rescued from the sea, died later, and it is likely that well over 7,000 souls perished.
From one of the many stories of Wilhelm Gustlof on the Internet;
On the bitter cold night of January 30th, 1945, the former KdF Cruise Liner Wilhelm Gustloff, at the time serving as a barracks ship for the Kriegsmarine, left from the Baltic port of Gotenhafen and set sail for the relative safety of the west, away from the advance of Soviet forces that were converging on the region. The Gustloff, designed to carry a maximum of 1,865 people total, was transporting 10,582 refugees, soldiers, sailors, and crew - including scores of sick and injured, as well as women, children and the elderly. All were fleeing from the terrible fate that awaited most of those left in the wake of the Soviet advance, including Germans and non-Germans alike. When the gray light of dawn lifted over the freezing cold waves of the Baltic Sea on January 31st, 1945, it would fail to fall upon the decks of the Gustloff, for that night it had been sunk by the Soviet sub S-13 and disappeared under the dark sea in less than 50 minutes, taking with it 9,343 lives, marking its loss as the most tragic naval loss in all of history. The Wilhelm Gustloff as a KdF ship pre-1939 The Wilhelm Gustloff (25484 BRT) was launched in 1937 as the crown jewel of the Kraft durch Freude or Strength through Joy organization (KdF). The KdF was a subgroup of the Deutsche Arbeitsfront or German Labor Front (DAF). The DAF had been organized in place of unions which had been banned by the NSDAP. The DAF had as its goal the control and direction of the entire German labor force, and the KdF was used as a means towards this end by providing activities such as trips, cruises, concerts, and cultural activities. These events were specifically directed towards the working class and it was through the KdF that the NSDAP hoped to bring to the "common man" the pleasures once reserved only for the rich. By opening the door for the working class to easily and affordably take part in activities once reserved only for the rich, it was hoped that the labor force could be lulled into being more flexible and productive. The launching of the Gustloff in 1937 in Hamburg The Wilhelm Gustloff was named after a man considered by some during the time to be a German martyr. Wilhelm Gustloff had been the leader of the NSDAP in Switzerland and he was assassinated in 1936. His name was chosen for the largest liner of the KdF fleet and in 1937 when it was launched, his widow christened the bow on its maiden voyage. The Gustloff was launched as the flag ship for the entire KdF fleet, of which there were a great number of ships both large and small, many of which would go on to experience similar stories during WWII. The Wilhelm Gustloff in harbor as a KdF ship in 1938 For nearly two years after it was launched the Wilhelm Gustloff sailed on pleasure cruises in the Atlantic Ocean and Mediterranean and North Seas. Then in May of 1939, four months before WWII began, the Gustloff took part in a slightly different role. Along side five other ships, the Robert Ley, the Deutsche, the Stuttgart, the Sierra Cordoba, and the Oceana, (the first four ship of the KdF fleet), the Gustloff took part in transporting back to Germany the Legion Condor from Spain. These men were being brought home after the successful defeat of the Republican forces by Franco's Nationalists. The Gustloff, along with other ships of the transport fleet, arrived in Vigo, Spain on May 24th, 1939 and unloaded large amounts of medical supplies and other materials that were given to the Spanish Social Help organization. On May 26th, 1939 the members of the Legion were loaded on the ships in Vigo harbor, with the Gustloff taking on 1,405 men. On May 30th, 1939 the ships arrived in German waters and were escorted into the Port of Hamburg by a parade of vessels including the yacht Hamburg, Panzerschiffe Admiral Graf Spee and Panzerschiffe Admiral Scheer. Passengers onboard the Gustloff on a cruise in 1938 Passengers onboard in 1938, notice the life boat cranes behind them On September 22nd, 1939, shortly after the Second World War broke out, the Wilhelm Gustloff was offically commissioned into the Kriegsmarine by the German Armed Forces for use as a hospital ship. It was classified as Lazaretschiff D, or Hospital Ship D. Lazaretschiffe in the German Armed Forces served as floating hospitals for the sick and wounded, and as with many other nations during the period, their use was strictly monitored and followed a specific set of international procedures for their employement. Depending on their intended region of use, they were required to be painted entirely white, with the inclusion of a green band running the length of the ship on all sides and various red cross markings on the deck, stacks, and sides. They were also prohibited from carrying any form of offensive of defensive weapons. It was in this role that the Gustloff would first enter WWII. The first employement of the Gustloff as Lazaretschiff D was in Danzig-Neufahrwasser at the end of the Polish Campaign. The first wounded taken on board were 685 soliders from the defeated Polish Army. The Gustloff went on to serve in the Danzig Bay region for the next many weeks, later taking part in relief operations for the thousands of Baltic Germans that were being moved from regions recently brought under the control of the Soviets, back to Germany or to areas controlled by Germans. The Gustloff took part in this operation alongside a number of other former KDF ships such as the Stuttgart, Der Deutsche, Robert ley and the Oceana. From May of 1940 until July of the same year, the Gustloff was on station in Norway in Oslo as a floating hospital for the sick and wounded from the Norwegian Campaign. The Gustloff left Oslo and headed for Stettin on July 2nd, 1940, carrying on board 563 wounded. During the late summer and early fall of 1940, the Gustloff was ordered to prepare for operations during the planned Invasion of England, which eventually were cancelled in late summer 1940. Once more, on October 20th, 1940, the Gustloff sailed again to Oslo and took on 414 wounded for transport back to Swinemünde. Shortly after this trip, the Gustloff was to end its service as a Lazarettschiff when it was directed that it move to Gotenhafen for service as a barracks ship for the U-boot arm of the Kriegsmarine. From September 22nd, 1939 until November 20th, 1940, the Gustloff took on a total of 3,151 wounded and sick, and over the course of four trips, transported 1,961 wounded back to Germany. The Gustloff as Hospital Ship "D" in 1939 As a Wohnschiff (barracks ship) of the Kriegsmarine, under the control of the 1.Unterseeboots-Lehrdivision, and later the 2.Unterseeboots-Lehrdivision, the Gustloff lay at anchor in Gotenhafen, its new resting place, for over four years. Then, in January of 1945, the Gustloff was once more put into service, this time as a part of the largest planned naval evacuation operation in history, the rescue and transport of millions of refugees, soldiers, sick, injured and others fleeing from the advance of the Soviet forces in east. Nearly all of the former KdF liners, along with many other freight and cargo ships, naval auxiliaries, and even combat vessels, took part in this massive rescue operations. Of the largest ships that took part were the liners and passenger ships, which mostly, like the Gustloff, were until then being used as barrack and accommodation ships in either Danzig, Pillau or Gotenhafen. The largest ships were the following: Cap Arcona (27561), Robert Ley (27288), Hamburg (22117), Hansa (21131), Deutschland (21046), Potsdam (17528), Pretoria (16662), Berlin (15286), General Steuben (14660), Monte Rosa (13882), Antonio Delfino (13589), Winrich von Kniprode (10123), Ubena (9554), and the Goya. At the end of the War, the operation proved to be a huge success, in light of the crushing and total defeat of Germany, in so far that over 2,000,000 people were rescued from areas of the Soviet advance. Had these 2,000,000 refugees not been rescued, as has been well documented elsewhere (As in the volumes "Documents on the Expulsion of the Germans from Eastern-Central-Europe), the plight of many of the refugees was likely to have been grim. Out of the total number rescued, about 25,000 to 30,000 lives were lost, the majority with the sinking of the Gustloff and the Goya with a combined total of over 15,000 deaths. Considering the number of people transported and the conditions and time of the transport (January - May, 1945), the number of lives lost versus the number rescued remains to this day a stark reminder of the size, scope and determination of the massive German sea rescue. Rare color photo of the Gustloff at anchor in Gotenhafen When the Gustloff left the relative protection of the harbor at Gotenhafen on January 30th, 1945, the weather was very poor; wind strength of 7, it was snowing, the temperature was 10 degrees below zero, and ice flows were in the water. Any chance of survival once in the water in weather like this was next to impossible. Under its own power, the Wilhelm Gustloff began to punch its way through the choppy, blustery Baltic Sea, un-escorted against the threat of submarine attacks, with its only protection being the few anti-aircraft guns it had onboard to protect against air attack. Against the deadly submarine, the Gustloff was naked. According to the ships own records, the list of passengers on the 30th included 918 Naval officers and men, 173 crew, 373 members of the Woman's Naval Auxiliary units, 162 wounded, and 4,424 refugees, for an official total of 6,050 people. This is according to the official list though, and doesn't take into account the many hundreds of other people that one way or another, were able to make their way onto the seemingly safe decks of the Gustloff. In fact, new research has now shown that the total number of people on the Gustloff at the time it was sunk was actually 10,582! Newly published research by Heinz Schon has set the number of people on the Gustloff as follows: 8,956 refugees, 918 officers NCOs and men of the 2.Unterseeboot-Lehrdivision, 373 female naval auxiliary helpers, 173 naval armed forces auxiliaries, and 162 heavily wounded soldiers, for a total of 10,582 people on board on January 30th. Then, at 2108 01.30.45, (9:08pm, January 30th, 1945 Gotenhafen time; 7:08pm Moscow time; 2:08pm Milwaukee, WI, USA time), the Soviet sub S-13, commanded by Alexander Marinesko, hit the Gustloff with a spread of three torpedoes. The Gustlof immediately leaned to starboard, righted itself, and then leaned to again. She then launched rescue flares and broadcast an SOS. According to an eye-witness account of Oberbootsmannsmatt Karl Hoffman, the first torpedo struck the Gustloff at the bow, directly below the helm deep below the waterline. The second torpedo exploded under the area of the ship that was the swimming pool, and the third torpedo hit amidship in the forward part of the engine room, ripping the ship hull and shattering the machinery. Soon, the forecastle was nearly underwater, with the stern beginning to rise above the waterline. In under 50 minutes time, the Gustloff was gone, taken beneath the icy black waters of the Baltic, and with her, 9,343 men, women and children. Amazingly, 1,239 people were saved by the heroic and selfless work of a number of German ships in the area. Torpedoboot T-36 rescued 564 people, Torpedoboot Löwe 472 people, Minensuchboot M387 98 people, Minensuchboot M375 43 people, Minensuchboot M341 37 people, steamer Gottingen saved 28 people, Torpedofangboot TF19 saved 7, freighter Gotland 2 people, and Vorpostenboot 1703 saved one person, a 1 year-old child. The flight from the Eastern regions and the loss of the Gustloff When the Gustloff sank it was an event unlike any in naval history, if for no other reason, because of the sheer scale of the tragedy. Many ships have sunk with horrible loss of life, but never have so many lives been lost with a single ship. Like all naval tragedies, the scene was one of sheer and complete horror. The suffering of those on the Gusltoff was unspeakable, it transcends all time and place, all nationality, and all borders. It was a terrifying loss of human life, and one that few know of today. In 1955, a German film called "Nacht fiel über Gotenhafen" was released that portrayed the final voyage of the Gustloff, a film that is both very accurate and a very touching tribute to those lost at sea. Lastly, of the very few books on the Gustloff, a recently published book by Heinz Schon called "SOS Wilhelm Gustloff - Die größte Schiffekatastrophe der Geschicte" is now considered to be the defenitive work on the sinking and the previous history of the ship. An artists drawing from diver reports of the position of the wreck of the Gusloff today What is now left of the Wilhelm Gustloff is a broken wreck designated officially as a grave site and off limits to most divers. The bow and stern of the ship are well preserved while the mid-section is heavily damaged and crushed in upon itself. We shall always remember those lost with Gustloff. May they rest in peace.
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EMPRESS OF AUSTRALIA (πρώην DE GRASSE)
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VATERLAND - LEVIATHAN 1914-1938
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R.M.S. LAURENTIC 1
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www.gwpda.org/naval/laurenti.htm (http://www.gwpda.org/naval/laurenti.htm)
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Το SS LAURENTIC 2 (1927-1940)
www.norwayheritage.com/gallery/gallery.asp?ac... (http://www.norwayheritage.com/gallery/gallery.asp?ac...)
http://www.norwayheritage.com/gallery/gallery/Steamship_Companies/White_Star_Line/Laurentic(2).jpg
www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3327.html (http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3327.html)http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/photos/br/hms_laurentic.jpg
</SPAN> (http://www.norwayheritage.com/gallery/gallery.asp?action=mybox)
Finnpartner_1966
31-03-2009, 23:25
Το CAP ARCONA
Πηγή www.timetableimages.com/maritime/images/ha.htm (http://www.timetableimages.com/maritime/images/ha.htm)
Πηγή :www.garemaritime.com/features/cap-arcona/ (http://www.garemaritime.com/features/cap-arcona/)
A, στη δευτερη, διακρινεται και το Wilhelm Gustloff (http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/ship/show/149658), που κατα τη βυθιση του, πηρε μαζι αρκετο κοσμο (καπου 5384 ατομα)....
KAISER WILHEIM 2 / AGAMEMNON / MONTICELLO
Σαν KAISER WILHEIM 2
www.lostliners.com/Kaiser2.html (http://www.lostliners.com/Kaiser2.html)
http://www.lostliners.com/Photos/kaiserII.jpg
Σαν AGAMEMNON
www.history.navy.mil/.../i03000/i03101c.htm (http://www.history.navy.mil/.../i03000/i03101c.htm)
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/i03000/i03101.jpg
Το EMPRESS OF IRELAND
(http://aboutfacts.net/Else175.htm)
aboutfacts.net/Else175.htm (http://aboutfacts.net/Else175.htm)
http://aboutfacts.net/Else/E175/Empress_of_Ireland.jpg
ahoy.tk-jk.net/macslog/IllfatedEmpressofIrela
Ο καπτετάνιος του και πως ναυάγησε το <EMPRESS OF IRELAND>
http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/MoreImages7/EmpressOfIreland/CaptainHenryKendallMasterOfEmpressOfIreland.jpg
Introduction.
The Empress of Ireland came from the same stable as the Empress of Britain. Launched in 1906, being built by Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering of Glasgow, Scotland. She steamed out of Liverpool to start her maiden voyage on the 29th. of June, 1906, bound for Quebec. The only route this ship ever plied was the Liverpool/Canada service.
Eight Years later.
Almost eight years later, on the 29th. of May, in 1914, we find the Empress steaming in the Saint Lawrence River, Canada, having sailed from Quebec on the eastern leg of her return voyage to England. She had just dropped off the pilot at Farther Point, and was still close to the shore line.
The time was 0200 ( 2 AM ), it was a calm night, with Captain Henry Kendall on his bridge of the Empress of Ireland, he had just sighted a ship steaming towards him. In his judgement this ship was about 8 miles away ( remember in 1914, no Radar to aid a Captain, or his Officer of the Watch ) well clear to allow him to navigate his ship across her bows, he could then alter course to make for the open sea.
He gave orders to carry out this move, and crossed as planned, an alteration of course to starboard now meant that both ships would pass starboard side to starboard side. The approaching ship was a Collier, and proved to be the Norwegian, Storstad, she was 440 feet long, a sturdy 6,028 tons crammed to her plimsol line with coal, and she was due to pick up her Pilot for the western run up river to Montreal. Storstad was also hugging the coast line of the Saint Lawrence River.
Just after the Empress had taken up her new course, an incoming fog bank swallowed up both ships.
Passengers aboard the Empress of Ireland.
The passenger lists in the Empress recorded 87 in First Class, 253 in Second Class, and the majority of 717 in Third Class. The lower the class one travelled, the lower in the ship would your cabin be located, thus all the first class passengers would enjoy the ship's upper decks, whilst those in third class would be relegated to decks in the bowels of the vessel.
Salvation Army passengers.
Amongst all the passengers were a group, all members of the Salvation Army, some 170 of them, led by Commissioner David Rees, who had his wife and children with him. They were all off to London to attend a Salvo's convention.
The time of 0200 ( 2 AM )
Given the time of 0200 ( 2 AM ) most of the passengers and crew off watch had already turned in for the night, and were then sound asleep.
Fog concerns Captain Kendall.
As all Captains at sea react to the sudden arrival of fog, Captain Kendall fretted about the lack of visibility, he was concerned for the safety of both his ship, crew and passengers. He decided his put his engines astern to take the way off his ship, in accordance with the Rules of the Road at Sea, when maneouvering in the company of other ships, when he ordered the engines astern, he sounded three blasts on the ship's siren. ( 1 blast, indicates a ship is turning to starboard, 2 blasts, indicates a ship is turning to port, and 3 blasts, indicates a ship is going astern )
The 14,191 ton Empress of Ireland slowed, almost stopped, but still had some forward way on, suddenly, out of the murk two masthead lights appeared to starboard. The Collier Storstad was heading straight for the Empress, Captain Kendall quickly ordered a sharp alteration of course to starboard, alas too late.
The sharp bows of the Norwegian ship sliced into the Empress slap amidships between her two funnels, just as if the passenger ship were a huge slab of butter. The fully loaded Storstad punched into the Empress below her waterline, entering her for about 25 feet, and opening up a gaping hole some 14 feet wide.
Water rushed into the starboard side, and Empress of Ireland quickly took on a list to starboard, open port holes which should have been closed at sea, allowed the ingress of even more water. The damage precluded the closing of water tight doors, compounding the problems the ship faced. Within 10 minutes the liner lay on her side, some passengers who had managed to escape, perched on her hull. One passenger commented "It was like sitting on the beach, and watching the tide come in!" There was only time to lower four of the lifeboats. Many of the passengers were trapped below in the lower decks, unable to escape in time. Empress of Ireland sinks.
Within 14 minutes the Empress was gone, to lay 150 feet below on the muddy bottom of the Saint Lawrence River. 1,012 died, eight more than in the Titanic disaster.
Among the dead were 150 from members of the Salvation Army, including Commissioner David Rees, his wife and two of their children.
Captain Henry Kendall survives.
Captain Kendall did survive, and when hauled on board Storstad, uttered:
"You have sunk my ship."
Marine Court of Inquiry.
The British Admiralty Judge, Lord Mersey presided over the investigation into the cause of this disaster. The English Barrister, Butler Aspinall KC, represented the interests of the owners of the Empress of Ireland, Canadian Pacific, 64 witnesses were called and the Court placed the main blame upon Storstad, the Norwegians disagreed, saying that by going astern Captain Kendall had placed his ship in the way of Storstad. This plea was to no avail, the Court ordered he Norwegian Company of A.F. Klaveness to pay Canadian Pacific's damage claims.
But the owners of Storstad were unable to meet these payments, and were forced to sell their ship.
http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/MoreImages7/EmpressOfIreland/WreckEmpressOfIreland.jpg
Wreck of Empress of Ireland
Canadian Pacific hires a Salvage Company.
Just weeks after this disaster, the owners of the Empress of Ireland, Canadian Pacific, hired a salvage company to find and recover from the wreck, the Purser's safe, all the First Class Mail carried onboard, and silver bullion valued then at $150,000. ( at today's values, some 2 Million.) This salvage operation was successful.
The wreck.
The Empress sits in about 150 feet of water on the muddy bottom of the Saint Lawrence River, which even in Summer maintains a low temperature of 34 degrees F, and here the tide runs at 5 knots, giving limited visibility in, and over the wreck. None the less, many experienced divers have dived upon her, since the wreck was found in the mid 1980's.
Captain Kendall survived WW1.
The unlucky Captain Henry Kendall went to sea over WW1, was torpedoed, but again survived, to prove to be lucky in the end. He lived until the 27th. of November in 1965, when he died in a London Nursing ome.
Last survivor of the Empress of Ireland.
The last survivor of this tragic accident at sea in 1914, lived on until the 15th. of May 1995, when Grace Hanagan Martyn died.
Conclusion.
As previously noted, the number of deaths from this dreadful Maritime disaster was greater than the loss of life in the Titanic sinking. But in general, this tragedy at sea in 1914 is not much remembered, the more glamorous Titanic, and her sinking by an iceberg, always seems to attract the headlines, especially after her wreck was found, and then the movie was made.
The Empress was about 2/3 the size of Titanic, and was not without her charm, the 1st. Class Dining Room for example, was very well appointed. It measured 65 feet wide by 58 feet long, was upholstered in red, the woodwork there was gilded, it featured ornate sculpted ceilings, had fixtures made from cut glass, plus an atrium soaring up two levels to the music room.
This work seeks to redress in some small way, the paucity of recorded history of a proud ship who was unlucky to be sunk accidentally in a fog back in 1914.
Το NIEUW AMSTERDAM I
Πηγές : www.greatships.net/nieuwamsterdam.html (http://www.greatships.net/nieuwamsterdam.html)
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-NI04.jpg
Το S.S. NIEUW AMSTERDAM ΙΙ
Πηγές : www.oceanlinermuseum.co.uk (http://www.oceanlinermuseum.co.uk)
http://www.oceanlinermuseum.co.uk/nieuw%20amsterdam%20painting.jpg
www.worldshipny.com/pony1952part1.html (http://www.worldshipny.com/pony1952part1.html)
http://www.worldshipny.com/namsterdam52.jpg
Στην παρακάτω δ/νση και συγκεκριμένα στο βιντεάκι του You Tube φαίνεται η καθέλκυση και ταξείδι του πλοίου
cruiselinehistory.com/?p=1255 (http://cruiselinehistory.com/?p=1255)
Το R.M.S. ANTONIA
Πηγή :www.greatships.net/antonia.html (http://www.greatships.net/antonia.html)
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-AN07.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-AN03.jpg
Το S.S. AMERIKA
Πηγή : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Amerika (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Amerika)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/SS_Amerika.jpg/600px-SS_Amerika.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/SS_Amerika.jpg)
Το KROPRINZ WILHELM μετά USS VON STEUBEN
Πηγή : www.history.navy.mil/.../civsh-k/krpz-wil.htm (http://www.history.navy.mil/.../civsh-k/krpz-wil.htm)
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/i05000/i05387.jpg
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h97000/h97667k.jpg
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h42000/h42417.jpg
Πηγή : www.history.navy.mil/.../civsh-p/prinz-ef.htm (http://www.history.navy.mil/.../civsh-p/prinz-ef.htm)
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h42000/h42416.jpg
Πηγή : www.history.navy.mil/.../civsh-p/prinz-ef.htm (http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-civil/civsh-p/prinz-ef.htm)
Το KAIZER WILHELM DER GROSSE 1897 - 1914
www.maritimequest.com/liners/kaiser_wilhelm_der_grosse/kaiser_wilhelm_der_grosse.htm (http://www.maritimequest.com/liners/kaiser_wilhelm_der_grosse/kaiser_wilhelm_der_grosse.htm)
http://www.maritimequest.com/liners/kaiser_wilhelm_der_grosse/kaiser_wilhelm_der_grosse.jpg
www.lamza.net/kaiser.htm (http://www.lamza.net/kaiser.htm)
http://www.lamza.net/sources/Citizenship/Photo%20of%20Kaiser%20Wilhelm%20der%20Grosse%201.j pg
http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/kaiser_wilhelm_der_grosse_enters_ny.jpg
Το S.S. PENSSYLVANIA
Πηγή : /www.simplonpc.co.uk/2HAPAG-Vintage/Pennsylvania-02-Dover_900.jpg
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/2HAPAG-Vintage/Pennsylvania-02-Dover_900.jpg
Το R.M.S. BALTIC
Πηγή : freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7E... (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bwickham/baltic.htm)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bwickham/pics/baltic08.jpg
Το <ASTURIAS>
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Nicholas Peppas
06-04-2009, 07:45
Fukkai Maru was built in 1919 for Nippon Kaiun. She had 3,830 tons and a service speed of 14 knots. She was a passenger/cargo ship doing mostly the route Singapore-Tokyo but became infamous in World War II a Japanese prison ship for US sailors... Numerous Web sites with story by those who were saved exist. She was sunk outside of Palau in 1943
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Nicholas Peppas
06-04-2009, 07:59
Holsatia was built in 1909 as Frisia for the N.V.Koninklijke Hollandsche Lloyd in Amsterdam. She had 7,442 tons, 128 m length and a service speed of just 13 knots. She was bought in 1922 by HAPAG to replace ocean liners lost during the War and was used in the Habana (Cuba)-Vera Cruz (Mexico) trade. But she was too slow and uneconomical and was scrapped in Hamburg in 1928.
Not to be confused with the earlier Holsatia http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=hols1 that was a famous ship for Eastern European emigrants in the Germany-New York trade in the 1870-1900 period...
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Fukkai Maru was built in 1919 for Nippon Kaiun. She had 3,830 tons and a service speed of 14 knots. She was a passenger/cargo ship doing mostly teh route Singapore-Tokyo but became infamous in World War II a Japanese prison ship for US sailors... Numerous Web sites with story by those who were saved exist. She was sunk outside of Palau in 1943
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www.valoratsea.com/JANAC6.htm (http://www.valoratsea.com/JANAC6.htm)
Αν είναι σωστά τα στοιχεία που βρήκα στην παραπάνω δ/νση το πλοίο βυθίστηκε στις 13/12/1943 απο το Αμερικανικό υποβρύχιο USS POGY με καπετάνιο τον R.M. METCALF
Nicholas Peppas
06-04-2009, 13:08
www.valoratsea.com/JANAC6.htm (http://www.valoratsea.com/JANAC6.htm)
Αν είναι σωστά τα στοιχεία που βρήκα στην παραπάνω δ/νση το πλοίο βυθίστηκε στις 13/12/1943 απο το Αμερικανικό υποβρύχιο USS POGY με καπετάνιο τον R.M. METCALF
Indeed that's true. And teh Web has many stories from sailors of the Pogy
Στην παρακάτω δ/νση στοιχεία και φωτ/φιες των πλοίων του πίνακα
www.flora-and-sam.com/.../ImmigrationShips.htm (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/.../ImmigrationShips.htm)
Click on a ship name below for photos and descriptions.
NOTE: Clicking on links to "shipping lines" within the ship descriptions below, will take you out of this website. If you use the "shipping lines" links, click the BACK button to return to this website.
SHIP
PASSENGERS
Albano (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#albano)
Friedman, Abram Mendel 1903
Amsterdam (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#amsterdam)
Sokolsky, Lena 1903; Dubiner, Meier 1903
Andalusia (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#andalusia)
Safer, Jack 1907
Aquitania (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#aquitania)
Stein, Shifra & Hymie 1926; Brynin, Fannie 1921
Berlin (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#berlin)
Pomerantz, Israel 1895
Barcelona (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#barcelona)
Safer (Seifer), Zelig (Selig) 1906
Breslau (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#breslau)
Wealer's, Kasril, Sarah, Louis 1912
Bulgaria (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#bulgaria)
Dubiner, Basche 1903?; Pomerantz, Fannie 1899
Carmania (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#carmania)
Weller, Lena & Kalmen 1914
Czar (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#czar)
Strelser, Sophie 1913
Dania (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#dania)
Pomerantz, David 1892; Pomerantz, Sam 1893
Eisenach (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#eisenach)
Strelser, Israel (Little Izzy) 1913
Finland (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#finland)
Dubiners: Abraham & Motel 1913, Chaim-Hirsch 1911
Friesland (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#friesland)
Pomerantz, Rosie, Nathan, Jennie, Frieda, Sam & Sarah 1902
Gothland (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#gothland)
Safer, Isaac & Mollie, Sam, Anna & May; Block, Rachel, Frank & Fannie 1921
Graf Waldersee (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#grafwaldersee)
Dubiner, Jacob 1905
Homeric (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#homeric)
Dubiner, Leah, Mendel and Genendel 1924
Moltke (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#moltke)
Friedman, Hyman (Hessel) 1906
New York (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#newyork)
Friedman, Avrum Mendel 1907
Noordam (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#noordam)
Dubiner, Bascha 1902 ; Dubiner, Sore, Schene and Ettel 1902; Weller, Jacob 1904; Chana (Bereznyak) Friedman 1905; Dubiners: Taube, Scholem & Schame 1908; Dubiner, Peshe, Yetta & Arie 1911; Blinderman: Chaia, Anna & Rachel 1914; Chessler, Dora 1914;
Pennsylvania (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#pennsylvania)
Spelke, Chava, Sarah, Sam & Anna 1907
Petersburg (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#petersburg)
Streletsky, Israel (Big Izzy) and his sister Sore (who may have been Bessie Zemser) 1907
Potsdam (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#potsdam)
Friedman, J 1904; Safer, Pauline 1904; Dubiner, Motel 1906; Blinderman, Joe 1911; Block, Herschel 1913
President Grant (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#presidentgrant)
Strelser, Charles 1911
Rijndam (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#rijndam)
Dubiner, Schaye 1904; Blinderman, Celia 1910
Rotterdam (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#rotterdam)
Dubiner, Davis-Libe 1900; Sokolsky, Josef 1902; Dubiner, Schame 1908; Blinderman, Ronya 1913
Statendam (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#statendam)
Beresniak, Leibl (Louis) 1906; PescheRaisel (Rose) Epstein 1906
Susquehanna (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#susquehanna)
Dubiner, Chineza, Isaac & Chiam 1921
Tongariro (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#unitedstates)
Dubiner, Chiam-Moshe (Morris) 1899
United States (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#unitedstates)
Dubiner, Sirila, Szolem & Derce 1920
Vaderland (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#vaderland)
Weller, Gussie 1906; Dubiner, Scholem 1911
Viola (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#viola)
Dubiner, Chiam-Moshe 1899
Zeeland (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#zeeland)
Zemser, Bessie 1908
Waesland (http://www.flora-and-sam.com/finalversion/finishedversion/pages/ImmigrationShips.htm#waesland)
Pomerantz, David 1898
Το S.S. VEDIC της White Star Line
Πηγή : www.greatships.net/vedic.html (http://www.greatships.net/vedic.html)
S.S. Vedic
Notable for being the first White Star liner powered solely by turbine engines, Vedic was built by Harland & Wolff, Govan, and was engined at Belfast. Designed purely as an emigrant ship, with third class accommodations only, Vedic was commissioned and built without being designated for any specific IMM line. She was launched in December 1917 and fitted out as a troopship, rather than a passenger liner. Her maiden voyage began in Belfast on 11 July 1918, and took her to Boston, where she began her trooping duties.
Vedic served under the Liner Requisition Act until April 1919, and in September of that year she was used to repatriate British troops from northern Russia. After a 1920 refitting, she was placed on White Star's Liverpool-Clyde-Canada emigrant service, although in 1921, her winter terminus was Portland, Maine, and her summer terminus was New York. In 1922, Vedic and Red Star's Poland were placed on a Bremen-Southampton-Cherbourg-Canada service, which terminated at Montr�al in the summer and Halifax in the winter.
After a 1925 refitting, Vedic was placed on the White Star/Aberdeen/Blue Funnel joint emigrant service to Australia; she did considerable charter work for the Salvation Army, also carrying emigrants to Australia. When White Star and Cunard merged in 1934, Vedic was not transferred to the merged company, but was sold for scrapping at Rosyth.
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-VE01.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PH-VE01.jpg
Nicholas Peppas
03-05-2009, 05:38
Alsace of Messageries Maritimes
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Amazone of Messageries Maritimes
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Andre Lebon of Messageries Maritimes
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Annam of Messageries Maritimes
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Nicholas Peppas
03-05-2009, 05:45
Aramis of Messageries Maritimes
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Armand Behic of Messageries Maritimes
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Le Courrier de l' Océan Indien in 1902
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Le Courrier de Chine et du Japon in 1907
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Nicholas Peppas
03-05-2009, 05:58
Belvedere of Cosulich was serving also Greece
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Το SS Cita Di Genova (πρώην Gneisenau) θα ήταν ένα συνηθισμένο πλοίο αν μέσα σ' αυτό δεν ήταν μεταξύ των αγωνιστών του Αλβανικού έπους ο ήρωάς του Συν/χης ΔΑΒΑΚΗΣ.
Το πλοίο τους μετέφερε ως ομήρους το απόγευμα της 20/1/1943 από την Πάτρα για Πριντεζι.
Το μεσημέρι της επομένης και περί ώρα 13:30 το πλοίο τορπιλίστηκε από συμμαχικό υποβρύχιο με αποτέλεσμα να πνιγούν πολλοί μεταξύ δε αυτών και ο ΔΑΒΑΚΗΣ.
Gneisenau / Citta di Genova 1903
http://www.ozgenealogy.info/genealogy/photos/gneisenau.jpg
Η πηγή της φωτ/φίσς είναι :
www.ozgenealogy.info/.../histories/cassie5.htm (http://www.ozgenealogy.info/genealogy/histories/cassie5.htm)
Nicholas Peppas
14-05-2009, 07:16
Here is the shipwreck of Hilda in St Malo, France!
Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Hilda says
SS Hilda was a steamship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steamship) owned by the London and South Western Railway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_and_South_Western_Railway) which sank in 1905 with the loss of 125 lives.
Hilda was launched in 1882 by Aitken and Mansell of Whiteinch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteinch), Glasgow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow). She had a length of 72 m, 820 gross tons, and a passenger capacity of 600.
Hilda had left Southampton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southampton) on her regular service to Saint-Malo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Malo) in Brittany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittany) but was unable to enter harbour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbour) due to heavy seas and snow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow) squalls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squall). On 18 November 1905, she struck Le récif des Portes/Isle of Cezembre near the Phare du Grand Jardin at the entrance to Saint-Malo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Malo) harbour. At 02.00 on 19 November she split in two and sank.
The Captains' surname was Gregory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory) who had been employed by London and South Western Railway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_and_South_Western_Railway) for 36 years, he was served by First Officer Pearson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson), A Hannam (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hannam&action=edit&redlink=1) 2nd Engineer, 2nd Mate Mr Greaves,who were all victims. The only surving crew member was Mr Grinter (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grinter&action=edit&redlink=1), he had been twice shipwrecked before.
Of the 131 people on board, only six survived. Amongst the dead were 70 Breton "Onion Johnnies" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion_Johnny) returning from selling produce in England.
Another London and South Western Railway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_and_South_Western_Railway) steamer, SS Stella (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Stella), was wrecked on The Casquets, Channel Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Islands), on 30 March 1899 with 112 fatalities. On 21 February 1907 the Great Eastern Railway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Eastern_Railway) suffered the loss of SS Berlin (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SS_Berlin&action=edit&redlink=1), wrecked off the Hook of Holland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_of_Holland) with 141 fatalities.
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Nicholas Peppas
14-05-2009, 07:38
Cordoba of Lloyd Italiano in 1904
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Baltrover 1930
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Κάνοντας μια "επανάληψη" αυτό δεν είναι το μετ έπειτα <ΙΩΝΙΑ> της ΕΛΜΕΣ ??
Nicholas Peppas
05-06-2009, 14:09
Κάνοντας μια "επανάληψη" αυτό δεν είναι το μετ έπειτα <ΙΩΝΙΑ> της ΕΛΜΕΣ ??
Absolutely correct and I had not noticed! Thanks
Μη βρίσκοντας καταλληλότερο thread είπα να ανεβάσω την παρακάτω διαφημιστική αφίσσα της Hamburg Sud εδώ:
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Nicholas Peppas
04-07-2009, 20:24
Sirio was an Italian ocean liner built by Robert Napier & Sons, Glasgow, in 1883. She had 4,141 tons and belonged to Società Italiana di Transporti Marittimi Raggio & Co. In 1885 she was sold to Navigazione Generale Italiana but not renamed. In 1906 she was wrecked near Palos, Spain with the loss of 442 lives.
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Dunvegan Castle of the Union Castle Co
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Να προσθέσω και εγώ μιά φωτογραφία του πλοίου
Πηγή : http://www.shipsnostalgia.com
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/images/8/85/RML1-25.jpg (http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/Image:RML1-25.jpg)
Dunvegan Castle – Union-Castle. Built by Fairfield’s in 1896 for the South African mail service, but from 1894 was used for cruising and from 1910 was placed on the intermediate service.
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Surriento (1949-66) Ναυπηγήθηκε το 1949 σαν Santa Maria, .................................................. ...............................
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Πηγή:http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/ (http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/)
Μία ακόμη φωτογραφία του
Πηγή :
http://freport.wa.gov.au/sitePrintVariant/About/PhotoGallery/C1949_Flotta_Lauro_Liner_Surriento_rdax_1024x772.j pg (http://freport.wa.gov.au/sitePrintVariant/About/PhotoGallery/C1949_Flotta_Lauro_Liner_Surriento_rdax_1024x772.j pg)
LINER MANUNDA
Πηγή :freport.wa.gov.au/.../PhotoGallery/19401949.asp (http://freport.wa.gov.au/sitePrintVariant/About/PhotoGallery/19401949.asp)
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Postcard of City of Durban of the Ellerman Lines. She is the second of three Ellerman ships to have been named City of Durban. There were four sister ships, the others being City of Port Elizabeth, City of Exeter and City of York. .................................................. .................................................. ........................................
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Να προσθέσω μιά ακόμη φωτογραφία του
Πηγή : www.simplonpc.co.uk/CapetownIShiffman.html (http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/CapetownIShiffman.html)
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/IShiffmanJPEGs/city_of_durban.jpg
CITY OF RICHMOND
Πηγή : genealogy.stredder.net/Immigration/Immigratio... (http://genealogy.stredder.net/Immigration/Immigration%20Records.htm)
http://genealogy.stredder.net/Immigration/Ships/Ship%20-%20City%20of%20Richmond.jpg
Rembrandt in a 1913 photo
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Αν ενδιαφέρει , σύμφωνα με www.simplonpc.co.uk/NederlandPCs.html (http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/NederlandPCs.html)
το Rembrandt είχε αδελφά πλοία τα Vondel και Grotius
Rembrandt 1906-1928
35: C.R.Hoffman, Southampton, photographic card of Rembrandt (5876 grt). Rembrandt had sisterships Vondel (http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/NederlandPCs.html#anchor384022) (1907-1930) and Grotius (1907-1931).
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Nederland/Rembrandt01.jpg
Vondel 1907-1930
36: Nederland art postcard of Vondel (5866 grt), sistership of Rembrandt (http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/NederlandPCs.html#anchor38584) (1906-1928) and Grotius (1907-1931).
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Nederland/Vondel01.jpg
The beautiful Cunarder Scythia in 1930. Also interior of Scythia or her sister ships
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Μερικά ακόμη για το Scythia
http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/eclipse/scythia.jpg
Cunard's Scythia, the homeward bound ship.
http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/eclipse/scystarb.jpg
Onboard Scythia, Starboard looking Forward
http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/eclipse/scyfromb.jpg
Scythia view from Bridge
http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/eclipse/scymenu2.jpg
Scythia Menu
Nicholas Peppas
22-08-2009, 20:23
Sinaia was a nice ship of the Cyprien Fabre and she had stopped in Piraeus very often
IDNo: 5605874 (http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/ship/list?IDNo=5605874&search_op=OR) Year: 1922 Name: SINAIA Launch Date: 19.8.21 Type: Passenger ship Date of completion: 1.22 Flag: FRA Keel:
Tons: 8567 Link: 1378 (http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/shipyard/list?link=1378) DWT:
Yard No: 583 Length overall:
Ship Design:
LPP: 134.0 Country of build: GBR Beam: 17.1 Builder: Barclay Curle Material of build:
Location of yard: Whiteinch Number of
screws/Mchy/
Speed(kn): 2T-13.5
Naval or paramilitary marking :
A: * End: 1944
Subsequent History:
Disposal Data:
scuttled Marseilles 8.44
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Friesland
Friesland was built for the Red Star Line by J. & G. Thompson of Glasgow. Launched in August 1889, she was the only clipper-bowed ship ever built for Red Star, but she was also the first Red Star Ship to be powered by triple expansion engines. She made her maiden voyage from Red Star's European base, Antwerp, to New York on 7 December 1889.
She remained on that service until January 1903, when she was transferred to the American Line, which like Red Star was part of the International Mercantile Marine Co. combine. She took her first American Line sailing, Liverpool to Philadelphia, on 25 March 1903.
Friesland made her last American Line sailing in May 1911. She was then sold to Italian interests and renamed La Plata, but was scrapped only a year later.
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-FR21.jpg
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http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-FR16.jpg
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S.S. Haverford
Built by John Brown & Co. of Clydebank for the American Line, Haverford was launched in 1901 and took her maiden voyage from Southampton to New York on 4 September of that year. After that, Haverford served in American's Liverpool-Philadelphia service, although she was also used in 1901-02 on the Red Star Line's Antwerp-New York route (4 trips) and in 1908-09 on the Dominion Line's Liverpool-Halifax-Portland route (2 trips).
During World War I Haverford served as a troopship and in 1917 she was damaged in a torpedo attack which put her out of service for six months.
In December 1920, Haverford made the American Line's last Liverpool-Boston-Philadelphia sailing. That route, and the ship, were then taken over by the White Star Line, which, like the American, Red Star and Dominion Lines, was owned by International Mercantile Marine. She retained her American Line name but was repainted in White Star colors. She remained on that route through 1923.
Haverford made one final crossing to Philadelphia in September 1924, and was scrapped in Italy in 1925.
The Philadelphia Inquirer, various dates in 1920, 1921 and 1924; Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; Haws' Merchant Fleets; Morton Allan Directory.
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PH-HA01.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-HA05.jpg
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Cilicia
The motor vessel Cilicia, sister to Circassia (III) (http://www.greatships.net/circassia.html) and Caledonia V, was launched at Fairfield Shipbuilding & Engineering, Glasgow, in October 1937.
Her 1938 maiden voyage was from Glasgow to Bombay, the service Cilicia remained on for her entire commercial career.
When World War II began, Cilicia was requisitioned for armed merchant cruiser service to the British Admiralty. While on that duty, and known as HMS Atlantic Isle, she assisted in the establishment of a weather station on Tristan da Cunha in 1943. The following March she was sent to Mobile, Alabama, where she was converted into a troop carrier. When she returned to service that December, she had accommodations for 2,400 troops.
After the war, Cilicia was released to Anchor in 1946, was refitted for commercial service and returned to Anchor's India route in May 1947. She was sold by Anchor to Stichting Vakopleiding Havenbedrief of Rotterdam for use as a training ship; renamed Jan Bucks, she was based at Parkhaven, Netherlands.
In 1980, she was sold for breaking up at Bilbao and was renamed Cilicia for her trip to the shipbreakers.
Sources: Kludas' Great Passenger Ships of the World; Haws' Merchant Fleets.
http://www.greatships.net/cilicia.html
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-CI03.jpg
R.M.S. Tuscania
Anchor Line's Tuscania was built by Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering of Glasgow. Launched in 1921, she made her maiden voyage from Glasgow to New York on 16 September 1922. She served on that route and on Anchor's New York-Mediterranean service until 1926, when she was chartered to Cunard and repainted in Cunard colors.
For Cunard, Tuscania sailed from London and Southampton to New York until 1930, when she was laid up for several months. She returned to service for Anchor in 1931, and was then used on a variety of services: Glasgow-Bombay, Glasgow-New York and cruising for Anchor and one Southampton-New York voyage for Cunard in 1931. In 1939 she was sold to the Greek Line and was renamed New Hellas. She served Piraeus-New York and Lisbon-New York until she was requisitioned for use as a British troop transport in 1941, under Anchor's management.
She returned to Greek Line's Piraeus-New York service in 1947. In 1955 she was renamed New York and placed on a New York-Bremen service. She returned to the Piraeus-New York route for several months in late 1959 and was then laid up. She was scrapped in Japan in 1961. Sources: Kludas' Great Passenger Ships of the World; Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway
http://www.greatships.net/tuscania.html
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-TU05.jpg
Melita
When this ship's keel was laid down at Barclay, Curle & Co. of Glasgow in 1913, she was intended for the Hamburg America Line. World War I intervened, however, and while on the stocks she was purchased by Canadian Pacific. After being launched as Melita in 1917, she was towed to Harland & Wolff in Belfast for the installation of her engines and fitting out.
She entered service with a 25 January 1918 maiden voyage from Liverpool to St. John, New Brunswick. Before being overhauled in Antwerp in 1920, she served on Canadian Pacific's Liverpool-New York route and made a Glasgow-Bombay voyage in 1919 for the British government.
During the period from 1922 to 1927, Melita was in Canadian Pacific's Antwerp-St. John service and was refitted in 1925 at Palmers Co. of Jarrow. She then returned to service from Britain to Canada, beginning with an April 1927 sailing from Glasgow and Belfast to Québec and Montréal and ending with a March 1932 trip from Liverpool, Belfast and Greenock to Halifax and St. John.
Then, after 146 Atlantic crossings, Melita was used for cruising until she was sold for scrapping in Genoa in 1935. She was bought from the breakers by Italia, renamed Liguria and used as a troop transport. After being damaged in a 1940 air attack on Tobruk, she was scuttled there in January 1941. She was raised and scrapped in 1950.
Sources: Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; Haws' Merchant Fleets. http://www.greatships.net/melita.html
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-ME22.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-ME07.jpg
City of Paris / Paris / Philadelphia
The last major transatlantic liner with a clipper bow, and the last liner built for the famed Inman Line, City of Paris was built by J.& G. Thomson of Glasgow, and was launched in October 1888. Like her sister, City (http://www.greatships.net/newyork.html">City) of New York, she originally carried three stacks, triple expansion engines and three masts rigged for sails. She made her maiden voyage on 3 April 1889, from Liverpool to New York, and a month later earned her first two Blue Ribands with record crossings on both legs of a Liverpool-New York roundtrip. (She would later set three more westbound records, in August of 1889 and July and October of 1892.
Within a year of her entering service, City of Paris experienced the first of the two notable accidents. In March 1890, while she was about 200 miles off the Irish coast, eastbound for Liverpool, her starboard propeller shaft broke and the engine disintegrated from running at full speed with no load on it. Engine parts broke through both the hull and the bulkhead adjoining the port engine room. The resulting flood knocked the port engine out of service as well. The ship drifted powerless for two days before being taken in tow to Cork Harbor. The necessary repairs kept her out of commission until May 1891.
In 1892, I & I was awarded a United States Mail contract by Congress. The enabling legislation permitted City of New York and City of Paris to be transferred to American registry even though they were built abroad, in exchange for a commitment to build two new express steamers in the United States. On 22 February 1893, as the ship was leaving on her final Liverpool-New York trip, she was renamed Paris and the line's name was changed from I & I back to the American Line. With these changes, the Inman name and its distinctive "City of" ship names disappeared from the North Atlantic.
From March 1893 until April 1898, Paris served on American's Southampton-New York service. When the Spanish American War began in 1898, she was taken over as an auxiliary cruiser named Yale. After the War, she resumed commercial service and, within months, was involved in her second major disaster. In May 1899, she ran aground on "one of the most dreaded hazards to navigation along the southern coast of England -- The Manacles." (Flayhart.) Stranded about 150 yards from shore, Paris stayed fast on the rocks from 21 May until 11 July, when she was freed by a combination of dynamite charges (which cleared a path through the rocks) and granite ballast (which, placed in her stern, raised the bow high enough for the ship to be freed.)
After this, she underwent a major repair and refitting which kept her out of service until August 1901. She emerged with new quadruple expansion engines, only two funnels and a new name: Philadelphia. She then returned to the New York-Southampton service, where she remained until World War I. After hostilities broke out in August 1914, her British terminus was changed to Liverpool.
Philadelphia was again called into service as an armed merchant cruiser in 1918, under the name Harrisburg. After another refit, she returned to American Line service, again as Philadelphia, in March 1920, making her last American Line sailing, on that route, in October of that year. In 1922, she made one trip from New York to Naples for the New York-Naples Steamship Co., during which her crew mutinied and attempted to sink her. Seized for debt at Naples, she was scrapped in 1923. Sources: Flayhart's The American Line; Kludas' Record Breakers of the North Atlantic; Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; Kludas' Great Passenger Ships of the World.
http://www.greatships.net/philadelphia.html
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-PH01.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-PH02.jpg (http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-PH02.jpg)
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Nicholas Peppas
23-08-2009, 06:20
Great job Toxoti!
The Friesland was a particularly important immigrant ship as she was used for transport of many Frisians (northern Dutch) to the USA (because they liked the name of the ship!
Parisian
Parisian was built for the Allan Line by R. Napier & Sons, Glasgow. She was launched in November 1880, and made her maiden voyage, Liverpool-Halifax-Boston, on 10 March 1881. She remained in service through the end of 1898, serving Montréal, with a call at Québec, during the summer months, and Halifax or Saint John in winter.
In 1899, Parisian underwent a major refitting at Workman, Clark & Co. of Belfast. Her compound engines were replaced by triple expansion ones, the yards were removed from her masts, and her funnels were reduced from two to one, as shown by the cards on this page. She returned to service in July 1899, and ran on the Liverpool-Canada service until March 1905. She then served at various times on the following routes: Glasgow-New York, Glasgow-Boston, and London-Canada. She made her final passenger sailing, from Glasgow to Boston in October-November 1913.
Parisian was sold for scrapping in Italy in January 1914. Sources: Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; Haws' Merchant Fleets in Profile. http://www.greatships.net/parisian.html
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-PA14.jpg
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St. Paul
http://www.greatships.net/stpaul.html
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La Touraine
http://www.greatships.net/latouraine.html
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-TO01.jpg
Ohio / Albertic
Laid down in 1914 at A.G. Weser, Bremen, the ship which eventually became White Star's Albertic lay unfinished at the yard until World War I ended. Construction resumed in 1919, and she was expected to become NDL's Munchen, but she was ceded to Great Britain as a war reparation after her launch in 1920. She was then purchased by the Royal Mail Line and, after three years of fitting out, made her maiden voyage as Royal Mail's Ohio on 3 April 1923, from Hamburg to New York via Southampton and Cherbourg.
Royal Mail's Southampton-Cherbourg service was terminated when Royal Mail acquired White Star in late 1926. Ohio was then sold to White Star, renamed Albertic, and placed on the Liverpool-Canada service, making her first voyage for her new owner in April 1927. In 1928, she moved to the London-Canada service. A year later she replaced the wrecked Celtic (II) (http://www.greatships.net/celtic2.html) on the Liverpool-New York service. For the balance of her career, which lasted into 1933, she served Liverpool-Canada in the summer and was laid up (with occasional cruising) in the winter.
Albertic was one of ten White Star ships transferred to Cunard White Star in 1934. She never sailed for the merged line, however, and was scrapped in Japan later that year. Sources: Haws' Merchant Fleets; Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway. http://www.greatships.net/albertic.html
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-OH02.jpg
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Nicholas Peppas
24-08-2009, 00:00
What wonderful additions to our collection... I have literary thousands of such postcards but never the time or intention to upload them...
Thanks
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Conte Di Savoia
http://www.greatships.net/contedisavoia.html
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-CO18.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-CO16.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-CO03.jpg
CALGARIC
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Calgaric-01.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Calgaric-01.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Calgaric-02.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Calgaric-02.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ca/slides/Calgaric-03.html
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Duchess of Atholl
http://www.greatships.net/duchessatholl.html
Duchess of Atholl was launched at W. Beardmore & Co., Glasgow, by her namesake in 1927. Although launched two months before her sister Duchess of Bedford, the ship's completion was delayed by an accident which damaged some of her machinery during fitting out. As a result, her maiden voyage from Liverpool to Montréal began on 13 July 1928, six weeks after Duchess of Bedford's. For a month in 1928, Duchess of Atholl held the record for an eastbound crossing from Canada to Liverpool, at 6 days, 13 hours.
Duchess of Atholl remained in Canadian Pacific's North Atlantic service until she was taken over as a troopship in 1940. She was still serving in that role when she was torpedoed and sunk by U178, 200 miles from Ascension Island on 10 October 1942. There were four fatalities among the 830 passengers and crew.
Sister ships: Duchess of Bedford/Empress of France (II) (http://www.greatships.net/duchessbedford.html); Duchess of Richmond/Empress of Canada (II) (http://www.greatships.net/empresscanada2.html); Duchess of Cornwall/Duchess of York (http://www.greatships.net/duchessyork.html). Sources: Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; Haws' Merchant Fleets; Williams' Wartime Disasters at Sea.
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-DU06.jpg
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Montcalm
http://www.greatships.net/montcalm.html
Montcalm, sister of Montrose II (http://www.greatships.net/montrose2.html) and Montclare (http://www.greatships.net/montclare.html), was built by John Brown & Co, Glasgow and was launched in 1920. She made her Liverpool-Halifax-St. John maiden voyage on 17 January 1922. On the return leg, she rescued 23 members of the crew of the Norwegian steamer Mod.
In 1928, she was sent to Harland & Wolff, Belfast, for the installation of new single reduction turbines. When she returned to service in March 1929, she was placed on the Southampton-Canada route. She also made some Antwerp-Canada, Hamburg-Canada and Liverpool-Canada sailings over the next few years. In 1930, Montcalm made one of only two calls Canadian Pacific ever made at Reykjavik, Iceland.
By 1932, Montcalm was used principally for cruising out of Liverpool, but continued to make occasional Atlantic crossings out of Antwerp, Southampton and Liverpool. Her last crossing, from Liverpool, was in April 1939. When World War II began in September, the ship was taken over and renamed RMS Wolfe. Wolfe served successively as an armed merchant cruiser (1939), a troop transport (1941), a submarine depot ship (1942) and a destroyer depot ship (1943). Purchased by the Admiralty in 1942, she never returned to Canadian Pacific, but was laid up in 1950 and sold for breaking up in 1952.
Haws states that the renaming of Montcalm was necessary to avoid confusion with a French cruiser of that name. The selection of Wolfe as the new name, though, appears to have been quite deliberate. Major General James Wolfe and the Marquis de Montcalm were the opposing commanders in the Battle of Québec (13 September 1759), during which they both were killed. Québec was the decisive battle of the French and Indian War, which solidified British control of Canada and the end of French rule there. Sources: Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; Haws' Merchant Fleets; Encyclopaedia Britannica
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-MO06.jpg
Nicholas Peppas
12-09-2009, 04:29
City of Paris / Paris / Philadelphia
The last major transatlantic liner with a clipper bow, and the last liner built for the famed Inman Line, City of Paris was built by J.& G. Thomson of Glasgow, and was launched in October 1888. .........
Philadelphia was again called into service as an armed merchant cruiser in 1918, under the name Harrisburg. After another refit, she returned to American Line service, again as Philadelphia, in March 1920, making her last American Line sailing, on that route, in October of that year. In 1922, she made one trip from New York to Naples for the New York-Naples Steamship Co., during which her crew mutinied and attempted to sink her. Seized for debt at Naples, she was scrapped in 1923. Sources: Flayhart's The American Line; Kludas' Record Breakers of the
City of Paris in tabacco cards of the early 1920s
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http://www.greatships.net/republic_usl.html
President Grant / Republic
Initially named Servian, this ship was built by Harland & Wolff of Belfast and was intended for Wilson's & Furness-Leyland Line's planned London-Boston service. In 1901, however, Wilson's & Furness-Leyland was bought by International Navigation Co., which also acquired Frederick Leyland & Co. at about the same time. Since Frederick Leyland already served the Boston market, Wilson's & Furness-Leyland's Boston service never came about and the order for Servian (and her sister, Scotian) was canceled before launching. So, after she was launched in February 1903, the ship was laid up, unfinished, until purchased by the Hamburg American Line (Hapag) in 1906.
Hapag initially intended to rename the ship Brooklyn but later changed the name to George Washington. After learning that Norddeutscher Lloyd had selected that name for its latest ship, Hapag again renamed her, this time selecting President Grant. Thus, by the time she made her maiden voyage from Hamburg to New York on 14 September 1907, she was already on her fourth name and there were more to come. (Scotian had gone through even more names after she, too, was bought by Hapag. She was named Chicago, Berlin, Boston and Abraham Lincoln before entering service as President Lincoln.)
Interned at New York when World War I began in August 1914, President Grant was seized by the United States when it entered the war in 1917 and used as a troop transport. Renamed President Buchanan and laid up in 1921, the ship was rebuilt in 1923-24 and again renamed, emerging as United States Lines' Republic. (As can be seen be comparing the President Grant card with the Republic cards on this page, she also emerged with only four masts instead of six, and with a bridge that was no longer separated from the rest of the superstructure.)
Republic made her first United States Lines voyage, from New York to Bremen, on 29 April 1924, and remained in service until 1931. She then became a War Department troopship in the Pacific (1931-41), Navy troopship AP 33 (1941-45), an Army hospital ship (1945-46), and a troop repatriation ship (1946). She was scrapped at Baltimore in 1952. Sources: Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; Kludas' Great Passenger Ships of the World; Haws' Merchant Fleets in Profile.
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-RE10.jpg
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http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-PR17.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/noordam.html
Noordam (I)
Holland America' first Noordam -- there were three, all told -- was built by Harland & Wolff of Belfast. Launched in September 1901, she made her maiden voyage from Rotterdam to New York on 1 May.
From August to October 1914, the early months of World War I, she made a few commercial voyages, but after striking a mine in the North Sea on 17 October, Noordam spent the winter in Rotterdam. She returned to service 26 March 1915, one of the few liners to maintain regular service from the continent during the war. She struck another mine, though, off Terschelling Bank in August 1917 and did not return to service; instead, she spent the rest of the war in layup at Rotterdam.
Noordam returned to service with a March 1919 trip on her prewar Rotterdam-New York route. From March 1923 until November 1924, during the refit of Swedish American's Drottningholm (http://www.greatships.net/virginian.html), Noordam was chartered to Swedish American for service on that line's Gothenburg-New York route, and was renamed Kungsholm.
Noordam returned to service for Holland America in October 1926 and made her final voyage in April 1927. She was scrapped the following year. Sources: Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; Haws' Merchant Fleets; Kohler's The Holland American Line; Moss and Hume's Shipbuilders to the World.
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http://www.greatships.net/scans/TC-IN02R.jpg
City of New York / New York
One of the greatest liners of the nineteenth century, City of New York was a remarkable ship in many ways. She was the first ship (except Great Eastern) ever to exceed 10,000 tons. She was the first twin-screw steamer built for regular express service on the North Atlantic. And she was a Blue Ribband winner, setting an eastbound crossing record after she had been in service for more than nine years. And, on a sadder note, she was one of the last ships of the Inman Line, one of the Leading transatlantic operations of the 1800's.
Built by J.& G. Thomson of Glasgow, City of New York was launched in March 1888. As originally built, she carried three stacks and three masts rigged for sails, as shown on several cards on this page. She made her maiden voyage on 1 August 1888, from Liverpool to New York.
In 1886, Inman was acquired by the International Navigation Co., an American firm that also operated the American and Red Star Lines. For a period of time, the line was known as Inman & International, and it was for I & I that City of New York earned her only Blue Ribband. This came at the expense of her sister, City of Paris (http://www.greatships.net/philadelphia.html), in a 20.11 knot eastbound crossing in August 1892, the last of nine record-setting voyages by Inman-built ships.
In 1892, I & I was awarded a United States Mail contract by Congress. The enabling legislation permitted City of New York and City of Paris to be transferred to American registry even though they were built abroad, in exchange for a commitment to build two new express steamers in the United States. The American flag was raised on the ship in the middle of a snowstorm in New York Bay, on 22 February 1893, with President Benjamin Harrison in attendance. At the same time, the ship was renamed New York and the line's name was changed from I & I back to the American Line. With these changes, the Inman name and its distinctive "City of" ship names disappeared from the North Atlantic.
Three days later, New York took her first American Line sailing, from New York to Southampton. She remained on that route until 1898, when the Spanish American War began. She served as an auxiliary cruiser named Harvard during the War and was refitted in 1901, emerging from this refit with only two funnels. She then returned to the New York-Southampton service, where she remained until World War I. After hostilities broke out in August 1914, her British terminus was changed to Liverpool.
When the United States entered the war, New York was again called into service as an armed merchant cruiser, under the name Plattsburg. After another refitting, which reduced her masts to two, she returned to American Line service, again as New York, in February 1920. Nine months later, in November, she took American's last New York-Southampton sailing, after which she was sold to the Polish Navigation Co. in 1921. She changed ownership several times over the next few years, sailing for the Irish-American, United Transatlantic and American Black Sea Lines before being scrapped in 1923.
New York played a role in two of the most notable maritime accidents of the early twentieth century. In February 1909, she arrived on the scene of the collision between White Star's Republic (II) (http://www.greatships.net/republic2.html) and Lloyd Italiano's Florida, and escorted the damaged Italian liner to New York. On 10 April 1912, New York was tied up at Southampton, and the movement of water caused by Titanic's (http://www.greatships.net/titanic.html) passage through Southampton Water broke the lines holding her to White Star's Oceanic (II) (http://www.greatships.net/oceanic2.html). New York broke free and would likely have collided with Titanic had the tug boat Vulcan not pulled her safely away. Sources: Flayhart's The American Line; Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; Lynch and Marschall's Titanic: An Illustrated History.
Cigarette Card
http://www.greatships.net/scans/CC-NY01.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-NY10.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-NY12.jpg
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Nicholas Peppas
13-09-2009, 20:28
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Toxoti
These are wonderful write ups. You must be spending a lot of time writing them. Excellent!
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OROTAVA
http://www.shawsavillships.co.uk/orotava.htm
OROTAVA BUILT IN 1889 AT BARROW BY THE BARROW SHIPBUILDING COMPANY. IN 1896 AT TILBURY SHE CAPSIZED, FOUR PEOPLE WERE KILLED, BUT SHE WAS RAISED AND RETURNED TO SERVICE AFTER A REFIT. DURING THE BOER WAR SHE WAS USED AS A TROOP TRANSPORT SHIP ( WAR TRANSPORT SHIP NO 19 ) BUT STILL RETAINED HER PSNC COLOURS. IN 1906 SHE WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE ROYAL MAIL LINE. IN 1914 SHE WAS SECONDED BY THE ADMIRALTY AND JOINED THE 10TH CRUISER SQUADRON, SHE WAS SCRAPPED IN 1919.
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Orotava-04.html
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http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Orotava-05.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Orotava-05.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Orotava-06.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Orotava-06.jpg
REINA DEL MAR
http://www.shawsavillships.co.uk/reindelmar.htm
http://www.shawsavillships.co.uk/psnc/reinmar.jpg
REINA DEL MAR
BUILT IN BELFAST BY HARLAND AND WOLFF IN 1956. IN 1964 SHE WAS CHARTERED TO THE UNION CASTLE LINE, BUT STILL OWNED BY PSNC. IN 1973 SHE WAS ACQUIRED BY THE UNION CASTLE LINE AND WAS SCRAPPED IN KAOHSIUNG IN 1975
MARATHON / ORUBA
http://www.shawsavillships.co.uk/marathon.htm
http://www.shawsavillships.co.uk/white/marathon.jpg
MARATHON / ORUBA
ABERDEEN LINE VESSEL BUILT IN 1903. SHE WAS SISTER SHIP TO THE 'MILTIADES'. IN 1912 SHE UNDERWENT A REFIT WHICH INCREASED HER LENGHT AND AN EXTRA ( DUMMY ) FUNNEL WAS ADDED. IN 1915 SHE WAS USED AS A TROOP SHIP. SOLD TO THE ROYAL MAIL CO IN 1920 AND RE-NAMED 'ORUBA'. IN 1922 SHE CAME UNDER THE CONTROL OF PSNC. THE ABERDEEN LINE CAME UNDER THE JOINT CONTROL OF WHITE STAR / SHAW SAVILL & ALBION IN 1905. IN 1924 SHE WAS LAID UP IN DARTMOUTH AND SCRAPPED IN GERMANY LATER THAT YEAR.
ORTONA / ARCADIAN
http://www.shawsavillships.co.uk/ortona.htm
http://www.shawsavillships.co.uk/psnc/ortona.jpg
ORTONA / ARCADIAN
ORTONA WAS BUILT IN 1899 BY VICKERS, SONS & MAXIM AT BARROW.DURING THE BOER WAR SHE WAS USED AS A TROOP TRANSPORT SHIP ( TRANSPORT VESSEL NO.12 ) THE ROYAL MAIL LINE BOUGHT HER FROM PSNC IN 1906. IN 1910 SHE WAS RE-NAMED ARCADIAN. SHE WAS TORPEDOED BY A GERMAN SUBMARINE IN 1917 WHILST IN THE MEDITERRANEAN, ACTING AS A TROOP CARRIER.
http://www.bluestarline.org/almeda1.html
Blue Star's S.S. "Almeda Star" 1
http://www.bluestarline.org/almeda1/almeda1_postcard_765.jpg (http://www.bluestarline.org/almeda1_im3.html)
Almeda as originally built with admiralty tops to the funnels
In later years they were all altered variously, with the removal of the Admiralty tops and in the case of the Almeda the fitting of a Maierform bow. This did nothing for her looks and spoilt the graceful lines she had originally. The Arandora (http://www.bluestarline.org/arandora.html) was considerably altered, with the passenger accommodation being extended twice.
http://www.bluestarline.org/almeda1/almeda1_pc_rr.jpg (http://www.bluestarline.org/almeda1_im3.html)
Almeda Star ~ Courtesy Ross Robson
http://www.bluestarline.org/almeda1/almeda1jgc_2.jpg (http://www.bluestarline.org/almeda1_im4.html)
Almeda Star after refitting in 1935 with Maierform bow and plain funnels
http://www.bluestarline.org/andalucia1.html
Blue Star 's S.S. "Andalucia Star"1
http://www.bluestarline.org/andalucia1/andalucia_pc_sepia_walter_thomas.jpg (http://www.bluestarline.org/andalucia1_im1.html)
Pre-1929 Postcard of Andalucia by Walter Thomas before the Star was added to her nameFraser Darrah Collection
http://www.bluestarline.org/andalucia1/andalucia1_1.jpg (http://www.bluestarline.org/andalucia1_im2.html)
Andalucia Star as built prior to 1935
From a Postcard Nautical Photo Agency - Fraser Darrah Collection
http://www.bluestarline.org/andalucia1/andalucia_azores.jpg (http://www.bluestarline.org/andalucia1_im3.html)
Andalucia Star ~ After fitment of Maierform Bow and removal of after main mast ~ Possibly in the Azores ~ Fraser Darrah Collection
Photograph © A. Duncan
http://www.bluestarline.org/avelona1.html
Blue Star's S.S. "Avelona Star" 1
http://www.bluestarline.org/avelona1/avelona1_postcard_small.jpg (javascript:postcard1())
Blue Star Line Postcard Avelona as built C1927
http://www.bluestarline.org/avelona1/avelona1_pc_sepia_small.jpg (javascript:postcard2())
Blue Star Line Postcard Avelona
Τα φορτηγοποστάλια (ή μήπως καλύτερα ...ψυγειοποστάλια;)) της Blue Star Line, ήταν πανέμορφα βαπόρια. Κάποια -αργότερα στη ζωή τους- ταξίδεψαν και σε Ελληνικά χέρια. Αλλά δεν τόλμησε κανείς να μετασκευάσει κάποιο σε αμιγώς επιβατηγό, που πιστεύω οτι θα ήταν ωραίο το αποτέλεσμα.
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-HI01.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-HI01.jpg
Charles Roux
http://www.greatships.net/charlesroux.html
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-CH02.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/dorchester.html
S.S. Dorchester
http://www.greatships.net/scans/dorchester/DOR-ENVFR.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/dorchester/DOR-ENVIN.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/dorchester/DOR-ENVBA.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/dorchester/DOR-PC3.jpg
www.moore-mccormack.com/SS-Argentina-1938/SS-... (http://www.moore-mccormack.com/SS-Argentina-1938/SS-...)
S.S. ARGENTINA
http://www.moore-mccormack.com/images/ARGENTINA%20(US)(1929)(Moore-McCormack)%208x10%20copy.jpg
http://www.moore-mccormack.com/images/Argentina%20Old.jpg
(Courtesy of Harold Vanderploeg)
http://www.moore-mccormack.com/images/Argentina.jpg
Nicholas Peppas
28-09-2009, 13:12
http://www.bluestarline.org/andalucia1.html
Blue Star 's S.S. "Andalucia Star"1
Pre-1929 Postcard of Andalucia by Walter Thomas before the Star was added to her nameFraser Darrah Collection
Andalucia Star as built prior to 1935
From a Postcard Nautical Photo Agency - Fraser Darrah Collection
Andalucia Star ~ After fitment of Maierform Bow and removal of after main mast ~ Possibly in the Azores ~ Fraser Darrah Collection
Photograph © A. Duncan
Οι φωτογραφιες που μας παρουσιαζεις προσφατα ειναι εκπτηκτικης ποιοτητος. Δεν ειναι απο φθηνες καρτ ποσταλ αλλα απο πραγματικα απιθανες φωτογραφιες.
R.M.S. Alaunia
Alaunia was the last of the six 14,000 ton "A-class" liners built for Cunard in the early 1920's. Built by John Brown & Co., she was launched in 1925 and made her maiden voyage from Liverpool to Montreal on 24 July 1925. She served mainly on Cunard's Canadian service, although like many other liners she also did some cruising during the Depression.
In 1939, Alaunia was requisitioned by the Admiralty, and served as an armed merchant cruiser and, later, a repair ship. In 1944 the Admiralty purchased her outright from Cunard and later converted her into a depot ship.
Alaunia was scrapped in 1957.
Sources: Haws' Merchant Fleets; Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway.
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PH-AL01.jpg
At Port Said, 1944
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-AL03.jpg
Postcards
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-AL11.jpg
As a depot ship
http://www.vdleek.nl/Hal/Vloot/Maasdam.html
s.s. Maasdam (2)
http://www.vdleek.nl/Hal/Vloot/Madm-2.jpg
s.s. Maasdam (2), 3.983 grt., 1889 - 1902 *
Built by Harland & Wolff, Belfast (1871) as s.s. Republic. 1902: Vittoria, 1902: Citta di Napoli, 1910: scrapped in Genoa.
Το παρακάτω με επιφύλαξη αν ανήκει σε αυτή την κατηγορία
http://www.vdleek.nl/Hal/Vloot/Maasdam.html (http://www.vdleek.nl/Hal/Vloot/Maasdam.html)
s.s. Maasdam (3)
http://www.vdleek.nl/Hal/Vloot/Madm-3.jpg
s.s. Maasdam (3), 8.812 grt., 1921 - 1941 *
Built by N.V. Mij. Voor Scheeps- en Werktuigbouw 'Fijenoord', Rotterdam. Torpedoed and sunk.
MILTIADES / ORCANA
http://www.shawsavillships.co.uk/miltiades.htm
http://www.shawsavillships.co.uk/shaw/miltiades.jpg
http://www.shawsavillships.co.uk/shaw/militades2.jpg
MILTIADES / ORCANA
BUILT IN 1903 BY STEPHENS & CO OF GLASGOW, FOR THE ABERDEEN LINE, WITH JUST A SINGLE FUNNEL, A SECOND FUNNEL BEING ADDED IN 1912,WHEN SHE UNDERWENT A MAJOR RE-FIT WITH HER LENGTH BEING INCREASED AND AND HER TONNAGE BEING INCREASED FROM 6,793 TONS TO THAT OF 7,817 TONS.SHE HAD A SERVICE SPEED OF 15 KNOTS. HER MAIDEN VOYAGE WAS IN 1903, LEAVING LONDON ON 3RD NOVEMBER, BOUND FOR MELBOURNE AND SYDNEY,VIA CAPE TOWN. SHE WAS THE SISTER SHIP TO 'MARATHON'. FROM 1915 TO HER RETURN TO NORMAL CIVILIAN DUTIES IN 1920 SHE WAS USED AS A TROOP TRANSPORT VESSEL. IN 1921 SHE WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE ROYAL MAIL LINE AND RE-NAMED 'ORCANA'. IN 1922 SHE WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE PNSC,BUT SHE PROVED UNPROFITABLE. LAID UP IN DARTMOUTH IN 1923 AND SCRAPPED IN HOLLAND THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
ATRATO (2ND) / THE VIKING / VIKNOR
http://www.shawsavillships.co.uk/atrato.htm
http://www.shawsavillships.co.uk/rmail/atrato.jpg
ATRATO (2ND) / THE VIKING / VIKNOR
BUILT IN 1888 BY NAPIER & SONS AT GLASGOW FOR THE ROYAL MAIL STEAMSHIP PACKET C0 .SHE WAS A VESSEL OF 5386 TONS. SHE HAD ACCOMMODATION FOR ABOUT 300 PASSENGERS, IN THREE CLASSES, BUT THE FIRST CLASS ACCOMMODATION ACCOUNTED FOR THE BULK OF IT.SHE WAS SOLD IN 1912 TO THE VIKING CRUISE COMPANY, AND WAS RE-NAMED 'THE VIKING'. IN 1914 SHE WAS SECONDED BY THE ADMIRALTY AND CONVERTED TO AN ARMED MERCHANT CRUISER AND WAS RE-NAMED 'VIKNOR'.SHE BECAME PART OF THE 10TH CRUISER SQUADRON AND WAS COMMANDED BY ERNEST OFFORD BALLANTYNE. SHE HAD A COMPLIMENT OF 22 OFFICERS AND 273 RATINGS IN 1915 IN HEAVY WEATHER SHE WAS LOST OF TORY ISLAND ON THE NORTHWEST COAST OF DONEGAL. ALL OF HER CREW WERE LOST,WITH LARGE QUANTITIES OF WRECKAGE AND SOME BODIES BEING WASHED ASHORE ALONG THE NORTH COAST OF IRELAND. THE ADMIRALTY COULD NOT FIND A REASON FOR HER LOSS, BUT SHE WAS IN THE AREA OF A RECENTLY LAID GERMAN MINEFIELD.SO SHE WAS MOST LIKELY THE VICTIM OF A GERMAN MINE.
S.S. H.F. ALEXANDER
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h53000/h53536.jpg
Πηγή : http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h53000/h53536.jpg
Αυτό τώρα ποιό είναι ??
Σύμφωνα με το simplonpc.co. (http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/RotterdamLloydPCs.html) πουλήθηκε στην Ελλάδα το 1908 και μετονομάσθηκε σε ?????
Πηγή : www.simplonpc.co.uk/RotterdamLloydPCs.html (http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/RotterdamLloydPCs.html)
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/RotterdamLLoyd/Ardjoeno01.jpg
Ardjoeno 1891-08
Sold to Greece in 1908.
Nicholas Peppas
04-11-2009, 23:33
Αυτό τώρα ποιό είναι ??
Σύμφωνα με το simplonpc.co. (http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/RotterdamLloydPCs.html) πουλήθηκε στην Ελλάδα το 1908 και μετονομάσθηκε σε ?????
Πηγή : www.simplonpc.co.uk/RotterdamLloydPCs.html (http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/RotterdamLloydPCs.html)
Ardjoeno 1891-08
Sold to Greece in 1908.
ex-Ardjoeno, ex- Margiora, 1912 purchased from Cozzika & Co, Piraeus renamed Mansoura, 1923 scrapped. 2,565
Με τη δύναμη του ατμού και του αέρα.
RUAHINE 1891-1900
http://www.nzshippingcoassoc.org.nz/ruahine-big.jpg
KAIKOURA 1884-1899
http://www.nzshippingcoassoc.org.nz/kaikoura-big.jpg
RIMUTAKA 1884 -1899
http://www.nzshippingcoassoc.org.nz/rimutaka-big.jpg
Πηγή : www.nzshippingcoassoc.org.nz/ships.html (http://www.nzshippingcoassoc.org.nz/ships.html)
Αυτά ποιά και που είναι ???
http://www.seadogs-reunited.com/Two%20old%20ladies%202.jpg
Πηγή : www.seadogs-reunited.com/Dogs%20P-R.htm (http://www.seadogs-reunited.com/Dogs%20P-R.htm)
ex-Ardjoeno, ex- Margiora, 1912 purchased from Cozzika & Co, Piraeus renamed Mansoura, 1923 scrapped. 2,565
Ευχαριστώ Νίκο
Αυτά ποιά και που είναι ???
Πηγή : www.seadogs-reunited.com/Dogs%20P-R.htm (http://www.seadogs-reunited.com/Dogs%20P-R.htm)
Τα τελευταία εγγλέζικα υπερωκεάνεια που φτιάχτηκαν για τη γραμμή της Αυστραλίας. Και τα δύο της Ρ&Ο, αριστερά το ORIANA και δεξιά το CANBERRA.
ex-Ardjoeno, ex- Margiora, 1912 purchased from Cozzika & Co, Piraeus renamed Mansoura, 1923 scrapped. 2,565
To 1908 το αγόρασαν οι Ελληνες και το μετονόμασαν Μargiora. Το 1912 το πούλησε σε Γάλλους. Oι Ολλανδοί το περιγράφουν ως ¨μικτό" με δυνατότητα μεταφοράς μιας 60αριας επιβατών. Για το αν ταξίδεψε ως επιβατηγό υπο ελληνική πλοιοκτησία δεν το γνωρίζω.
To 1908 το αγόρασαν οι Ελληνες και το μετονόμασαν Μargiora. Το 1912 το πούλησε σε Γάλλους. Oι Ολλανδοί το περιγράφουν ως ¨μικτό" με δυνατότητα μεταφοράς μιας 60αριας επιβατών. Για το αν ταξίδεψε ως επιβατηγό υπο ελληνική πλοιοκτησία δεν το γνωρίζω.
Φίλε Ellinis ευχαριστώ και για τις δύο σου απαντήσεις
Στο link που παραθετεις, λεει οτι ειναι στο San Francisco.
Σ' ευχαριστώ για την διευκρίνιση.
Nicholas Peppas
07-11-2009, 20:10
Sinaia was a nice ship of the Cyprien Fabre and she had stopped in Piraeus very often
53391
Ιδου και μια ανακοινωση του Σιναια για ταξιδακι στην Νεα Υορκη στις 29 Φεβρουαριου 1932!
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Finnpartner_1966
12-11-2009, 08:39
Αυτά ποιά και που είναι ???
Πηγή : www.seadogs-reunited.com/Dogs%20P-R.htm (http://www.seadogs-reunited.com/Dogs%20P-R.htm)
Στο link που παραθετεις, λεει οτι ειναι στο San Francisco.
Finnpartner_1966
12-11-2009, 09:47
Πηγή : www.history.navy.mil/.../civsh-p/prinz-ef.htm (http://www.history.navy.mil/.../civsh-p/prinz-ef.htm)
Πηγή : www.history.navy.mil/.../civsh-p/prinz-ef.htm (http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-civil/civsh-p/prinz-ef.htm)
Ατυχο πλοιο το Wilhelm. Kατασκευαστηκε το 1901 για λογαριασμο της Norddeutscher Lloyd (NDL), για ταξιδια express μεταξυ Bremerhaven-New York. Το παρθενικο του ταξιδι εγινε το Σεπτεμβρη του 1901. Ηταν σχεδιασμενο να μπορει να μετασκευαστει σε οπλιταγωγο. Εκτος των αλλων, ειχε Marconi ασυρματο, και τηλεφωνο ενδοεπικοινωνιας. Ειχε κερδισει και τη Γαλαζια Κορδελα για το διαπλου του Ατλαντικου, τον οποιο ειχε διασχισει με μεση ταχυτητα 23 κομβων (Δεν υπηρχαν τα Mauretania-Lusitania ακομα). Αργοτερα, πηρε την κορδελα το αδελφο Kaiser Wilhelm II.
Mεχρι το 1914, δεν ειχε αναφερθει κατι για το πλοιο αυτο, εκτος του οτι σε πυκνη ομιχλη βυθισε ενα μικρο σκαφος, και συγκρουστηκε ελαφρως, με παγοβουνο, εξω απο την Νεα Γη (Newfoundland), με ελαφρες ζημιες.
Οταν ξεκινησε ο μεγαλος πολεμος, το πλοιο βρισκοταν δεμενο στην Νεα Υορκη. Ακυρωθηκε το ταξιδι, πηρε καυσιμα, και πηγε σε μια μυστικη συναντηση με το καταδρομικο Carlsruhe, στα ανατολικα της Κουβας. Εκει, τοποθετηθηκαν 2 πυροβολα των 8.8cm, και πυρομαχικα. Ο νεος του ρολος ηταν να επιτιθεται σε εμπορικα πλοια, αλλα λογω μεγεθους, ηταν πολυ ευαλωτο. Ηταν φτωχο σε οπλισμο, ειχε μεγαλο πληρωμα, κυριως θαλαμηπολους, οι οποιοι ειχαν εκπαιδευτει ως ναυτες. Επισης, ετρωγε πολυ καρβουνο (500 τονους τη μερα, σε πληρη ταχυτητα), πραμα που σημαινε οτι θα χρειαζοταν συχνο ανεφοδιασμο. Το μοναδικο του προσον, ηταν η μεγαλη του ταχυτητα, και η αποφασιστηκοτητα του πλοιαρχου και του πληρωματος.
H συναντηση με το Carlsruhe διακοπηκε ξαφνικα, μετα την εμφανιση του Βρετανικου καταδρομικου HMS Suffolk. Αν και το Wilhelm εφυγε, δεν ειχε προλαβει να παρει μεγαλες ποσοτητες πυρομαχικων. Στις 18 Αυγουστου ανεφοδιαστηκε πληρως, με πυρομαχικα και 2400 τονους καρβουνου, απο το εφοδιαστικο Walhalla, κοντα στις Αζορες. Τα 2 πυροβολα ειχαν τοποθετηθει στις δυο πλευρες του καθρευτη, κι ενα πολυβολο πανω απο τη γεφυρα. Το κεντρικο σαλονι, ειχε μετασκευαστει σε χωρο αποθηκευσης καρβουνου, και το καπνιστηριο σε νοσοκομειο.
Τους επομενους 8 μηνες, το Wilhelm ειχε μια αξιολογη καριερα στο να βυθιζει εχθρικα εφοδιαστικα πλοια, χωρις να πιασει λιμανι ουτε μια φορα. Κατα τη διαρκεια αυτης της περιοδου, ειχε καταλαβει και βυθισει 14 (Αγγλικα, Βελγικα, Γαλλικα και Νορβηγικα) πλοια, με διαφορα εμπορευματα (καρβουνο, κρεας, ξυλεια, μηχανες, καφε και σιτηρα).
Την ανοιξη του 1915, το πλοιο βρισκοταν σε κρισιμη κατασταση. Το πλοιο που θα το ανεφοδιαζε, ειχε πιαστει απο τους Αγγλους. Οι μηχανες και οι λεβητες, χρειαζονταν επειγοντως επισκευη. Η καρινα ειχε διαρροες, απο τις συγκρουσεις με τα πλοια που βυθιζε. Επισης, πολλοι απο το πληρωμα, επασχαν απο την αρρωστια Beriberi. Oλα αυτα εκαναν τον Πλοιαρχο να καταφυγει σε λιμανι. Αφου πηγε στο Newport News με τα τελευταια καυσιμα, τεθηκε υπο περιορισμο. Ειχε μεινει στη θαλασσα συνεχως, για 251 μερες, ειχε ταξιδεψει 3700 μιλια, και ειχε βυθισει 58000 τονους εχθρικου τοναζ χωρις να χαθει ουτε μια ανθρωπινη ζωη.
Τον Απριλη του 1915, το Αμερικανικο ναυτικο, παρελαβε το Wilhelm. Μετονομαστηκε Von Steuben και εγινε οπλιταγωγο. Πηγε στη Βρεστη τον Οκτωβρη, ως μερος απο convoy. Kατα τη διαρκεια του ταξιδιου, συγκρουστηκε με το USS Agamemnon, με ζημιες στην πλωρη. Στον γυρισμο, εμεινε μερικες μερες στο Halifax, για βοηθεια, διοτι ενα πλοιο μεταφορας πυρομαχικων ειχε εκρηχθει, και ειχαν σκοτωθει 2000 ατομα. Ως το τελος του πολεμου, εκανε υπερατλαντικα ταξιδια, και μετα την ανακωχη, κουβαλουσε Αμερικανους στρατιωτες πισω, στην Αμερικη. Παροπλιστηκε τον Οκτωβρη του 1919. Το 1923, καθως δεν βρεθηκε καποιος ρολος για το πλοιο το Von Steuben, οδηγηθηκε σε διαλυτηριο στην Βαλτιμορη (Boston Iron & Metal Co).
Ναυπηγειο: Vulkan (Stetin) #249
Kαθελκυση 30-1-1901
Αποπερατωση: 8-1901
Μηκος (Ολικο): 202,52m
Μηκος (Μεταξυ καθετων): 194,2m
Πλατος: 20,13m.
GRT 14.908
Mηχανες: 2 σετ 6κυλινδρες μηχανες τετραπλης εκτονωσης (33000iHP)
Mεταφορικη Iκανοτητα: 367 (1η Θεση) 340 (2η Θεση) 1054 (Οικονομικη)
Συγγενη πλοια: Kaiser Wilhelm Der Grosse (1897), Kaiser Wilhelm II (1903), Kronprinzessin Cecilie (1907)
Πηγη: Beken of Cowes Ocean Liners (Phillip J Fricker)
To Prinz Eithel Friedrich (http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/ship/list?IDNo=2220422&search_op=OR) κατασκευαστηκε το 1904 στο ιδιο ναυπηγειο (#254) με το Wilhelm, για την ιδια εταιρια (ΝDL). Παραδοθηκε τον Σεπτεμβρη του 1904 στους πλοιοκτητες. Ηταν 8865 τονους GRT, μηκος (Μεταξυ καθετων) 148,8, πλατος 17. Ειχε 2 μηχανες τετραπλης εκτονωσης που του εδιναν ταχυτητα 15 κομβων. Το 1917 παραδοθηκε στο Αμερικανικο ναυτικο, και μετονομαστηκε De Kalb. Το 1921, μετονομαστηκε Μοunt Clay, για λογαριασμο της United American Line. Διαλυθηκε στην Βαλτιμορη στα μεσα του 1934.
Περισσοτερα εδω (http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-d/id3010.htm).
Ατυχο πλοιο το Wilhelm. Kατασκευαστηκε το 1901 για λογαριασμο της Norddeutscher Lloyd (NDL), για ταξιδια express μεταξυ Bremerhaven-New York. Το παρθενικο του ταξιδι εγινε το Σεπτεμβρη του 1901. ................................................
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To Prinz Eithel Friedrich (http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/ship/list?IDNo=2220422&search_op=OR) κατασκευαστηκε το 1904 στο ιδιο ναυπηγειο (#254) με το Wilhelm, για την ιδια εταιρια (ΝDL). Παραδοθηκε τον Σεπτεμβρη του 1904 στους πλοιοκτητες....................................... ......
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Περισσοτερα εδω (http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-d/id3010.htm).
Αγαπητέ Finnpartner_1966 ευχαριστώ για την αναλυτικότατη παρουσιάση του θέματος
HMT Empire Clyde
http://hmtships.googlepages.com/EmpireClydeTroopshipMarch1954.jpg/EmpireClydeTroopshipMarch1954-full;init:.jpg
TSS. Cameronia. Later renamed SS. Empire Clyde - 7515tons built 1925 Passenger ship.
Scrapped in September 1957 at Newport, Monmouthshire.
Πηγή : hmtships.googlepages.com/home (http://hmtships.googlepages.com/home)
HMT Lancashire
HMT.Lancashire(2)Built 1914 for Bibby Line, in 1930 converted to permanent troopship, scrapped at Barrow in 1956. Length 502 ft. Breadth 57 ft. Depth 35'10" Tonnage 9,543 tons, H.P. 6,000
Πηγή : hmtships.googlepages.com/home (http://hmtships.googlepages.com/home)
Nicholas Peppas
28-11-2009, 23:46
Sinaia was a nice ship of the Cyprien Fabre and she had stopped in Piraeus very often
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Οι Ελληνοαμερικανοι της AHEPA καταφθανουν στην Ελλαδα με το Sinaia το 1928. Απο το Ιστορικο Φωτογραφικο Αρχειο του ΕΡΤ.
Και σας διαβεβαιω οτι ελαχιστοι Ελληνες της Αμερικης ακολουθουν πια την AHEPA (με τους μυστηρους "υπατους προεδρους" και "υπατους γραμματεις" της) και φυσικα κανεις δεν φοραει αυτα τα φεσακια.
Ο Ελληνισμος της Αμερικης εχει αλλαξει παρα πολυ απο την εποχη της φωτογραφιας αυτης.... Ευτυχως
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Nicholas Peppas
12-12-2009, 07:33
One more photo of Andre Lebon of Messageries Maritimes
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Nicholas Peppas
23-12-2009, 18:39
HMT Empire Clyde
TSS. Cameronia. Later renamed SS. Empire Clyde - 7515tons built 1925 Passenger ship.
Scrapped in September 1957 at Newport, Monmouthshire.
Πηγή : hmtships.googlepages.com/home (http://hmtships.googlepages.com/home)
Empire Windrush
Here we have some pictures from the ill-fated Empire Windrush and from its burning on March 30, 1954
First, there is a very surprising INA film from 1954 here
http://www.ina.fr/video/CAF97515428/un-navire-anglais-brule-au-large-d-alger.fr.html
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Then you can read the comments of one of the survivors here
http://sites.google.com/site/hmtships/home
Fifty three years ago – The Empire Windrush Shipwreck
Memoirs of Capt RN (retd) Michael RH Page, a passenger on the Windrush
I was a passenger onboard the Troopship Empire Windrush when she caught fire off Algiers in March 1954. This year is the 53rd anniversary of a remarkable rescue when over 1200 men women and children were saved without a single fatal casualty. Sadly four crew members died in the initial explosion but that was all. There were a number of fascinating stories reported at the time and it would be interesting to see who still remembers that day. My own memory is still vivid because the day became the first of a new life. On board were all my worldly possessions and I never saw any of them again with the important exception of my camera and a pocket full of films. The pictures I took were published in Algiers and then made available to the UK papers without my consent. It was quite interesting to walk down Fleet Street and ask how it was done!! More important the shipwreck was the cause of my meeting my wife Valerie. Her cousin was also a survivor and we met again at the Summer Ball at the Royal Naval College Greenwich. Valerie was his guest: the rest is history. I was returning from the Far East where I had been serving in HMS Defender, a Daring class destroyer in the Korean campaign. The troopship had been in trouble in the Suez Canal with engine problems. On the last Saturday of the voyage, there was a party to celebrate being “nearly home” but in the early hours there was a large sump explosion in the engine room. The fire spread rapidly and we had to abandon ship. Fortunately there were many other vessels in the vicinity, the sea was calm and the sun was rising. Everyone was picked up from lifeboats or out of the water and we were taken to Algiers. After a night in Algiers HMS Triumph, an Aircraft Carrier arrived to take us all to Gibraltar. Then the RAF flew us home. I was officer in charge of the Ratings flight and still have the nominal list. For a young bachelor it was all rather a joke but for those families returning from a 3 year foreign posting it was anything but. This picture shows the ship burning taken from my lifeboat that carried many of the officer passengers (and with me in charge!) Picture Windrush 1 The other I took from our lifeboat as we approached the P&O Freighter Socotra. Picture Windrush 2 . I took many more pictures and I still have the news papers published in Algiers and London using some of these.
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Να παραθέσω εδώ μία περιληπτική αναφορά στα Υπερωκεανια (Ocean Liners) που βρήκα στη δ/νση :
http://www.hellenica.de/Ship/Yperokeaneio.html
Το Υπερωκεάνειο (Ocean Liner) είναι κατηγορία επιβατηγού πλοίου ικανού να διαπλέει ωκεανό. Τα πρώτα υπερωκεάνεια άρχισαν να διαπλέουν τον Ατλαντικό περί το 1840. Η περίοδος όμως ακμής της εν λόγω κατηγορίας πλοίων ήταν από τα τέλη του 19ου αιώνα μέχρι τα μέσα του 20ου. Δυστυχώς τα πλοία αυτά συνδέθηκαν ιστορικά, εκτός ελαχίστων εξαιρέσεων, με τις άγριες εποχές του φαινομένου της μετανάστευσης καλούμενα και «μεταναστευτικά ποντοπόρα πλοία».
Τα διασημότερα
Μεταξύ των διασημότερων υπερωκεανείων ήταν το Υ/Κ Μαυριτάνια (Mauretania) (Βρετανικό) που επί 23 χρόνια (1910-1933) έφερε τη γαλάζια σημαία του ταχύτερου πλοίου, αδελφό πλοίο του άτυχου Υ/Κ Λουζιτάνια (Lusitania), το "Ακουϊτανία" (Aquitania) που έφερε 4 καπνοδόχους, το γερμανικό "Πατρίδα" (Vaterland) που κατασχέθηκε το 1917 στη Ν. Υόρκη από τους Αμερικανούς και μετονομάστηκε σε Υ/Κ Λεβιάθαν (Leviathan), ο άτυχος Τιτανικός που βυθίστηκε στο παρθενικό του ταξίδι, το ιταλικό Υ/Κ Ρεξ (Rex) και τα γερμανικά "Ευρώπη" και "Βρέμη" (Bremen). Επίσης τα Βρετανικά Υ/Κ Βασίλισσα Μαίρη (Queen Mary ) και Υ/Κ Βασίλισσα Ελισάβετ (Queen Elizabeth) γιγαντιαία υπερωκεάνια των δεκαετιών 1940 – 1950, το γαλλικό Υ/Κ Νορμανδία (Normandie) που έσπασε το φράγμα των 4 ημερών για το διάπλου του Ατλαντικού σε 3 ημέρες και 22 ώρες το 1937 - (καταστράφηκε από πυρκαγιά στο λιμάνι της Ν. Υόρκης το 1942), και το "Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες" (United States) που κατέρριψε το 1952 το ρεκόρ διάπλου σε 3 ημέρες και 10 ώρες με μέση ταχύτητα τους 35 κόμβους. Και να σκεφθεί κανείς ότι πριν 100 χρόνια το 1833 ο Royal William τροχήλατο ιστιοφόρο της εποχής επέτυχε το διάπλου του Ατλαντικού σε χρόνο, διαφημιζόμενο τότε, των μόλις 25 ημερών!
1950 - 1955
Το 1955 τα άνω των 30.000 τόνων εκτοπίσματος Υπερωκεάνια ήταν μόλις εννέα:
* Υ/Κ "Βασίλισσα Ελισάβετ", 83.673τον, μ.987,4 ft, π.118,6 ft , β.68,4 ft, Βρετανικό.
* Υ/Κ Βασίλισσα Μαίρη, ε. 81.237τον, μ.975,2 ft, π.118,6 ft , β.68,5 ft, Βρετανικό.
* "Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες" ε.53.329τον, μ.916,8 ft, π.101,6 ft, β.39,0 ft, ΗΠΑ
* "Ελευθερία" εκτόπισμ. 51.840τον, μ.890,2 ft, π.102,1 ft, β.48,0 ft, Γαλλικό.
* Υ/Κ Ιλ ντε Φρανς εκτοπισ.44.356τον, μ. 763,6 ft, πλ. 91,6 ft, β.55,8 ft, Γαλλικό.
* Υ/Κ "Νέο Άμστερνταμ" εκτ.36.667τον, μ. 713,7 ft, πλ. 88,3 ft, β.50,0 ft, Ολλανδικό.
* Υ/Κ "Μαυριτανία" εκτοπίσ. 35.677τον, μ. 739,4 ft, πλ. 89,4 ft, β.51,7 ft, Βρετανικό.
* Υ/Κ "Καρόνια" εκτοπίσματ. 34.183τον, μ. 587,5 ft, πλ. 91,4 ft, β.48,7 ft, Βρετανικό και
* Υ/Κ "Παστέρ" με εκτοπίσμ.30.447τον, μ. 670,7 ft, πλ. 88,0 ft, β.52,6 ft, Γαλλικό.
Υπό Ελληνική Σημαία
Εταιρείες
Οι ελληνικές υπερπόντιες γραμμές που αναπτύχθηκαν ήταν κυρίως δύο η γραμμή Βορείου Ατλαντικού (1907 – 1977), που τη διέκοψε για επτά χρόνια ο Β' Παγκόσμιος Πόλεμος και η γραμμή Αυστραλίας (1947 – 1977).
Οι σημαντικότερες υπερωκεάνιες ελληνικές ναυτιλιακές εταιρείες ήταν: η "Υπερωκεάνιος Ελληνική Ατμοπλοΐα" του Δ. Μωραΐτη, η "Ελληνική Υπερωκεάνιος Ατμοπλοΐα", η "Εθνική Ατμοπλοΐα της Ελλάδος", η "Μπάυρον Ατμοπλοΐα", η "Γκρηκ Λάιν" των Αφων Γουλανδρή, η "Εθνική Ελληνική Γραμμή Αμερικής" του Ε. Ευγενίδη, η "Χανδρίς Λάϊνς" του Α. Χανδρή, η "Χομ Λάϊν" του Ε. Ευγενίδη, η "ΕΛ.ΜΕ.Σ" καθώς και εκείνη του Ι. Λιβανού στο Λονδίνο.
Πίνακας Υ/Κ
Παρατίθεται πίνακας ελληνικών Υ/Κ κατ΄ αλφαβητική σειρά (όνομα Υ/Κ Ελλ. Αγγλ.– έτος ναυπήγησης – εκτόπισμα – ταχύτης)
* Υ/Κ Αθήναι (Athinai)1908 6.742τον 15κ.
* Υ/Κ Ακρόπολις (Acropolis) 1890 5.722τον 13κ.
* Υ/Κ Αμερικανίς (Americanis) 1952 17.041τον 17,5κ.
* Υ/Κ Αργεντινή (Argentina) 1913 11.015τον 15κ.
* Υ/Κ Αρκαδία (Arkadia) 1931 20.259τον 19κ.
* Υ/Κ Ασσιμίνα (Assimina) 1915 5.751τον (;)κ.
* Υ/Κ Ατλάντικ (Atlantic) 1927 20.553τον 21κ.
* Υ/Κ Αυστραλίς (Australis) 1940 33.532τον 24κ.
* Υ/Κ Βασιλεύς Αλέξανδρος 1908 16.971τον (;)κ.
* Υ/Κ Βασιλεύς Κωνσταντίνος 1914 9.272τον 17κ.
* Υ/Κ Βασίλισσα Άννα Μαρία 1955 25.516τον 21κ.
* Υ/Κ Βασίλισσα Σοφία«αδελφό» "Β.Κωνσταντίνος".
* Υ/Κ Βασίλισσα Φρειδερίκη πρώην «Ατλάνικ».
* Υ/Κ Βραζιλία (Brasil) 1905 10.754τον 19κ.
* Υ/Κ Βρετάνη (Britany) 1951 16.355τον 18κ.
* Υ/Κ Βρετανίς (Britanis) 1932 18.017τον 20κ.
* Υ/Κ Βύρων (Byron) πρώην «Μεγάλη Ελλάς»
* Υ/Κ Έδισων (Edison) 1896 10.711τον 15κ.
* Υ/Κ Ελληνίς (Ellinis) 1932 18.163τον 19,5κ.
* Υ/Κ Εριέττα (Henrietta) 1929 14.131τον 15κ.
* Υ/Κ Εριέττα (Henrietta Latsi) 1937 23.722τον 20κ.
* Υ/Κ Θεμιστοκλής (Themistocles) 1907 6.045τον 13κ.
* Υ/Κ Θεσσαλονίκη (Thessaloniki) 1890 4.672τον 12κ.
* Υ/Κ Ιταλία (Italia) 1928 20.223τον 17κ.
* Υ/Κ Ιωάννινα (Ioannina) 1897 4.167τον 12,5κ.
* Υ/Κ Κάιρο (Cairo) 1907 1344τον 14κ.
* Υ/Κ Καμπέρα (Canberra) 1913 7.707τον 15κ.
* Υ/Κ Κολούμπια (Colymbia) 1913 9.424τον 15κ.
* Υ/Κ Κυρήνεια (Cyrenia) 1911 7.527τον 17κ.
* Υ/Κ Κωνσταντινούπολις (Constantinople) 1897 11.456 15κ.
* Υ/Κ Λακωνία (Lakonia) 1930 20.314τον 17κ.
* Υ/Κ Μακεδονία (Macedonia) 1912 6.333τον 17κ.
* Υ/Κ Μαργαρίτα (Margarita) 1945 9.124τον 15κ.
* Υ/Κ Μαργαρίτα Λ (Margarita L) 1960 37.640 22κ.
* Υ/Κ Μαριάννα (Marianna) 1930 14.128
* Υ/Κ Μαριάννα ΙV (Marianna IV) 1944 9.140 15κ.
* Υ/Κ Μαριάννα Λάτση (Marianna) 1935 23580τον 20κ.
* Υ/Κ Μαριάννα VI (Marianna VI) 1951 14.083τον 16κ.
* Υ/Κ Μαριάννα 9 (Marianna 9) 1961 19393τον 20κ.
* Υ/Κ Μεγάλη Ελλάς Βλ. "Βασιλεύς Κωνσταντίνος"
* Υ/Κ Μωραΐτης (Moraitis) πρώην «Θεμιστοκλής»
* Υ/Κ Μωρέας (Moreas) 1902 8.497τον 15κ.
* Υ/Κ Νέα Ελλάς (Nea Hellas) 1922 16.991τον 16κ.
* Υ/Κ Νεπτούνια (Neptunia) 1920 10.519τον 15κ.
* Υ/Κ Ολύμπια (Olympia) 1953 22.979τον 22κ.
* Υ/Κ Ομηρικός (Homeric) 1931 18.017τον 20κ.
* Υ/Κ Πατρίς (Patris) 1909 4390τον 14κ.
* Υ/Κ Πατρίς (Patris) 1950 18.400τον 18,5κ.
* Υ/Κ Πρωτέα (Protea) 1920 7.430τον 15κ.
* Υ/Κ Ρένα (Rena) 1906 1.619τον 12κ.
* Υ/Κ Τασμανία (Tasmania) 1940 11.072τον 17κ.
* Υ/Κ Τζένη (Jenny) 1918 7.914τον (;)κ.
Ευνόητο είναι ότι τα προ του Β’ Παγκοσμίου πολέμου, ελληνικά Υ/Κ είχαν πολύ περιορισμένους χώρους για πολυτελή παραμονή αφού ήταν κατά το πλείστον διασκευασμένα για μεταφορές μεταναστών.
Αλλαγή πορείας
Η Βασιλεία των υπερωκεανίων άρχισε να τερματίζεται με την εξέλιξη των αεροπορικών συγκοινωνιών. Από τη δεκαετία του 1970 παρόλο που εξακολουθούσαν να υπάρχουν δίκτυα υπερωκεάνιων γραμμών άρχισαν σιγά – σιγά να αποσύρονται και να μετατρέπονται σε ποντοπόρα κρουαζιερόπλοια, στο νέο τουριστικό κλάδο που ανθεί σήμερα ιδιαίτερα.
Alsatian / Empress of France (I)
Πηγή : http://www.greatships.net/empressfrance.html
This ship, originally the Allan Line's Alsatian, was built in Glasgow by William Beardmore & Sons. The first transatlantic liner with a cruiser stern, Alsatian was launched in March 1913, and made her maiden voyage 17 January 1914, Liverpool-St. John, New Brunswick.
Alsatian served as an armed merchant cruiser from August 1914 until December 1918. During this service, she took part in rescuing the crew of White Star's Oceanic which was wrecked in September 1914. In 1917, the acquisition of Alsatian and the rest of the Allan Line by Canadian Pacific, a process that had begun in 1913, was completed.
During a 1919 overhaul, Alsatian was renamed Empress of France. She returned to service in September 1919, again serving Canada, although her European terminus moved from Liverpool to Southampton to Hamburg and back to Southampton between 1922 and 1928. She set three Canadian service speed records: westbound in August 1920 and July 1924, and eastbound in July 1924, and also set a record for fastest Liverpool-Quebec-Liverpool roundtrip, in July 1921. Converted from coal to oil fuel in 1924, Empress of France also made several round-the-world cruises during the 1920s. Empress of France served on Canadian Pacific's transpacific service for a year beginning in October 1928 and then returned to the Liverpool-Canada route. She made her final voyage, Southampton-Cherbourg-Quebec, in September 1931 and was then laid up. She was scrapped in 1934. Sources: Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; Haws' Merchant Fleets.
Cigarette Card
http://www.greatships.net/scans/CC-EM01.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/CC-EM01R.jpg
Postcards
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-AL04.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-EM02.jpg
Corsican
Corsican was built for the Allan Line by Barclay, Curle & Co., of Glasgow, and was launched in April 1907. Her maiden voyage, on 31 October of the same year, was from Liverpool to St. John, New Brunswick, a route she would remain on until early 1914. (During that period, four of her trips were on charter to Canadian Pacific.)
On 12 August 1912, Corsican collided with an iceberg near Belle Isle, but escaped with only minor damage.
From April 1914, Corsican made four Glasgow-Montrιal roundtrips before being taken over as a troopship in August. During her trooping duties she became Canadian Pacific property when the acquisition of the Allan Line was completed on 16 July 1917. She re-entered commercial service with an August 1918 sailing from London to Montrιal and then returned to Liverpool-St. John service in January 1919.
Over the next three years, Corsican served Canada from London, Glasgow, Liverpool and Antwerp. A major refitting in 1922 left her with a new passenger accommodation configuration (cabin/third) and a new name (Margrave). Margrave's final voyage, from Glasgow to Montrιal by way of Belfast and Quιbec began on 26 April 1923. On 21 May, on the return leg of that trip, she was wrecked on Freel Rock, 20 miles (32 km) west of Cape Race. Although no lives were lost, the ship was a total loss. Sources: Haws Merchant Fleets; Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; Kludas' Great Passenger Ships of the World.
Πηγή : http://www.greatships.net/corsican.html
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-CO14.jpg
Romanic / Scandinavian
Πηγή : http://www.greatships.net/romanic.html
Romanic was built by Harland & Wolff, Belfast, as Dominion Line's New England. Launched in 1898, she made her maiden voyage 30 June 1898, Liverpool-Boston. J.P. Morgan's International Mercantile Marine acquired both Dominion and White Star in 1902, and in 1903 Dominion's Boston service was transferred to White Star. New England went to White Star too, and was renamed Romanic.
Romanic instituted White Star's Boston service, sailing from Liverpool to Boston on 19 November 1903 and departing from the Hoosac Tunnel Docks for the Azores, Gibraltar and Italy on 5 December. She remained on the Boston-Mediterranean service for her entire White Star career, which lasted until November 1911. She was then sold to Allan Line and renamed Scandinavian. She became Canadian Pacific's Scandinavian after Canadian Pacific absorbed Allan in 1917. Scandinavian was scrapped in 1922. Sources: Haws' Merchant Fleets; Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; The Sunday Herald (Boston), 6 December 1903; Boston Daily Advertiser, 6 December 1903.
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-RO03.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-SC05.jpg
Nicholas Peppas
25-12-2009, 16:43
Romanic / Scandinavian
Πηγή : http://www.greatships.net/romanic.html
Romanic was built by Harland & Wolff, Belfast, as Dominion Line's New England. Launched in 1898, she made her maiden voyage 30 June 1898, Liverpool-Boston. J.P. Morgan's International Mercantile Marine acquired both Dominion and White Star in 1902, and in 1903 Dominion's Boston service was transferred to White Star. New England went to White Star too, and was renamed Romanic.
Romanic instituted White Star's Boston service, sailing from Liverpool to Boston on 19 November 1903 and departing from the Hoosac Tunnel Docks for the Azores, Gibraltar and Italy on 5 December. She remained on the Boston-Mediterranean service for her entire White Star career, which lasted until November 1911. She was then sold to Allan Line and renamed Scandinavian. She became Canadian Pacific's Scandinavian after Canadian Pacific absorbed Allan in 1917. Scandinavian was scrapped in 1922. Sources: Haws' Merchant Fleets; Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; The Sunday Herald (Boston), 6 December 1903; Boston Daily Advertiser, 6 December 1903.
Τι μου θυμιζεις...
Προ 25 ετων αρχισα να μαζευω καρτ ποσταλ ολων των υπερωκεανειων που μετεφεραν μεταναστες! Οι πρωτες καρτες που μαζεψα ηταν οι εγχρωμες διαφορων ζωγραφων... Και καλα εκανα. Τις αγοραζα τοτε 1 −2 δολλαρια την καθεμια και τωρα δεν τις βρισκεις με λιγοτερο απο 20 δολλαρια...
Nicholas Peppas
02-01-2010, 00:31
Τα μεγαλυτερα υπερωκεανεια του κοσμου το 1903. Απο την Γερμανικη Εγκυκλοπαιδεια Herders Konversations Lexikon, Freiburg, 1903, της προσωπικης μου συλλογης.
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Nicholas Peppas
02-01-2010, 00:36
DEUTSCHLAND 1900-1925
www.thegreatoceanliners.com/deutschland.html (http://www.thegreatoceanliners.com/deutschland.html)
Deutschland/Victoria Luise/Hansa
1900 - 1925
http://www.thegreatoceanliners.com/Images/Gifs/letter_i.gifn order to snatch the Blue Riband of the Atlantic from Britain’s Campania and Lucania, the German shipping line Norddeutscher Lloyd, based at Bremen, commissioned the 14,000-ton Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse in 1897. As that ship was able to maintain an Atlantic crossing time of above 22 knots, the Blue Riband was in Germany’s hands before the year’s end. The Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse was the largest ship afloat, http://www.thegreatoceanliners.com/Images/Jpegs/deutschland01.jpgHAPAG's speed champion Deutschland.and her luxurious interiors attracted passengers from all over Europe. Her four funnels indicated safety and comfort for the average emigrant.
However, the Norddeutscher Lloyd was not the only German shipping line. The Hamburg-based Hamburg-Amerika Linie watched enviously as their archrival’s Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse took all the glory. Just as the rivalry between Britain’s Cunard Line and White Star Line, the German rivalry required a response from the other part. The Hamburg-Amerika Linie was not late in realising that to maintain their reputation they had to commission a ship to rival - and even outmatch - the Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse.
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The Deutschland/Victoria Luise/Hansa - Specifications:Length:684 feet (209 m)Beam:67 feet (20.5 m)Tonnage:16,502 gross tonsEngines:Quadruple expansion engines powering two propellers.Service speed:22 knotsPassengers:2,050 people
Deutschland from my personal copy of a Guide through Europe presented by the Hamburg Amerika Linie in 1911
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Πολυ ωραια και αυτο και το Celtic
Ψάχνω να βρώ φωτ/φιες από παλιά υπερωκεάνια με <μπουσουλα> τον κατάλογο της Γερμανικής εγκυκλοπαίδειας που δημοσίευσες.
Πολλών εξ αυτών έχουν ήδη δημοσιευεθεί.
Nicholas Peppas
02-01-2010, 19:21
Ψάχνω να βρώ φωτ/φιες από παλιά υπερωκεάνια με <μπουσουλα> τον κατάλογο της Γερμανικής εγκυκλοπαίδειας που δημοσίευσες.
Πολλών εξ αυτών έχουν ήδη δημοσιευεθεί.
Το καταλαβα. Αν θελεις ανεβαζω και αλλες σελιδες. Εχει ωραιοτατα πραγματα
MINNEAPOLIS
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Mc/slides/Minneapolis-01.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Mc/slides/Minneapolis-01.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/minneapolis.html
Minneapolis
A product of Harland & Wolff, Belfast, Atlantic Transport's Minneapolis was launched in November 1899. The eldest of three sisters -- Minnehaha (http://www.greatships.net/minnehaha.html) and Minnetonka (I) (http://www.greatships.net/minnetonka.html) were the others -- Minneapolis made her maiden voyage, Belfast-New York-London on 10 May 1900. She then entered ATL's regular London-New York service.
Taken over as a troop transport when World War I began, Minneapolis sank in the Mediterranean northeast of Malta on 23 March 1916, two days after being torpedoed by U 35. There were 12 fatalities among the 189 people on board. Sources: Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; Wiliams' Wartime Disasters at Sea
http://www.greatships.net/minneapolis.html
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-MI12.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-MI13.jpg
SKAUBRYN
Πηγή : www.fremantleports.com.au/.../19801989.asp (http://www.fremantleports.com.au/.../19801989.asp)
http://www.fremantleports.com.au/About/PhotoGallery/1955_Skaubryn_rdax_2098x1462.jpg
1955 Skaubryn
IBERIA
Πηγή : www.fremantleports.com.au/.../19801989.asp (http://www.fremantleports.com.au/.../19801989.asp)
http://www.fremantleports.com.au/About/PhotoGallery/C1966_PO_Liner_Iberia_preparing_to_sail_rdax_1024x 824.jpg
1966 P&O Liner Iberia preparing to sail
GUGLIELMO MARCONI
Πηγή : www.fremantleports.com.au/.../19801989.asp (http://www.fremantleports.com.au/.../19801989.asp)
http://www.fremantleports.com.au/About/PhotoGallery/1975_Lloyd_Triestino_Liner_Guglielmo_Marconi_rdax_ 1024x761.jpg
1975 Lloyd Triestino Liner Guglielmo Marconi
After being a regular visitor to the Port of Fremantle for several years the 28,000 ton Guglielmo Marconi made her last scheduled visit on 16th November 1975. The Marconi was withdrawn from the Australian run and from January 1976 she was transferred to the South American run.
Απλά ΠΑΝΕΜΟΡΦΑ
Πηγή : www.fremantleports.com.au/.../19801989.asp (http://www.fremantleports.com.au/.../19801989.asp)
http://www.fremantleports.com.au/About/PhotoGallery/198687_Americas_Cup_Cruise_Ships_rdax_1024x824.jpg
1986/87 America's Cup Cruise Ships
Ophir photo of 1907
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Φίλε Νίκο ,
Να εμπλουτίσω και εγώ το θέμα με μία ακόμη φωτ/φία που βρήκα
Πηγή : www.fremantleports.com.au/.../19801989.asp (http://www.fremantleports.com.au/.../19801989.asp)
http://www.fremantleports.com.au/About/PhotoGallery/1901_Royal_Yacht_Ophir_rdax_1024x734.jpg
1901 Royal Yacht Ophir
Carrying the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and York, later King George V and Queen Mary, seen leaving port. During their visit South Quay was officially renamed Victoria Quay. The royal couple journeyed to Australia to preside over the opening of Parliament in the newly established Commonwealth of Australia.
Eight Ocean Liners - 9th of July 1963
From top to bottom
Brasil - Moore McCormack Line
Hanseatic - Hamburg-Atlantik Line
Queen Mary - Cunard-White Star Line
France - French Line
Olympia - Greek Line
Atlantic - American Export Line
Leonardo DaVinci - Italian Line
Independence - American Export Line
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Πηγή : citynoise.org/article/9496 (http://citynoise.org/article/9496)
LUSITANIA
Πηγή : www.ocean-liner.com/nationalism/british-ocean... (http://www.ocean-liner.com/nationalism/british-ocean-liners-cunard-mauretania-lusitania)
http://www.ocean-liner.com/wp-content/uploads/lusitania-photo-128.jpg
Nicholas Peppas
21-01-2010, 00:11
The wonderful and tragically lost Champollion of the Messageries Maritimes
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Οι καταπληκτικες φωτογραφιες του φιλελληνος Phillip Ramona http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/ απο την μεγαλη συλλογη προπολεμικων και μεταπολεμικων Γαλλικων πλοιων.
Εδω το Champollion
http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/champ.htm
54 φωτογραφιες εκ των οποιων 18 με το εσωτερικο του πλοιου
Φαίνεται Νίκο ότι βρήκες φλέβα με Γαλλικό χρυσάφι.
Nicholas Peppas
21-01-2010, 22:37
Φαίνεται Νίκο ότι βρήκες φλέβα με Γαλλικό χρυσάφι.
Τις ηξερα αυτες τις σελιδες απο εδω και πεντε χρονια γιατι και εγω υπεραγαπω τα Γαλλικα αποικιακα και μεσογειακα πλοια. Πραγματι χιλιαδες φωτογραφιες με απιθανα στοιχεια. Αλλα δυστυχως μονο για την Messageries Maritimes. Νομιζα οτι τις ξερατε και εσεις
Nicholas Peppas
24-01-2010, 21:57
Vulcania (1928-68, Cantiere Navale Triestino Monfalcone, 23,970 tons, 19 knots, 310-1st, 460-2nd, 310-tourist class and 700-3rd class passengers; Caribia after 1965, scrapped in 1974) and Saturnia (1927-66, Cantieri Monfalcone, 23,970) were great Italian ships, very kalotaxida, and always special to travelers. I remember the great praises of the Patraic businessmen and others who had used them.
Απο την προσωπικη μου συλλογη παλαιων περιοδικων (που, φιλοι μου, δεν εχω καιρο να σαρωσω) μια διαφημιση της Italian Line που περιλαμβανει το Vulcaniaκαι το Saturnia.
Το περιοδικο ειναι το TIME της 5ης Απριλιου 1948.
From my personal collection of old magazines (which I have no time to scan) here is an ad of Italian Line that includes the Vulcaniaand the Saturnia.
This is from TIME of April 5, 1948.
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Nicholas Peppas
27-01-2010, 03:18
Τα σπουδαια υπερωκεανεια του 1921. Απο ενα οδηγο του ... Brooklyn του 1921. Αντωνη (toxotis), νομιζω οτι σου ετοιμασα κι αλλη δουλεια
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Τα σπουδαια υπερωκεανεια του 1921. Απο ενα οδηγο του ... Brooklyn του 1921. Αντωνη (toxotis), νομιζω οτι σου ετοιμασα κι αλλη δουλεια
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Καλά έκανες Νίκο και <μου βρήκες δουλειά>.
Πάντως με μιά γρήγορη ματιά είδα ότι για τα περισσότερα όλο και κάτι έχει δημοσιευθεί.
Το <ROYAL GEORGE> της Cunard line
(από τη λίστα του φίκου Νίκολα)
Πηγή : http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Royal%20George-01.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Royal%20George-01.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Royal%20George-02.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Royal%20George-02.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Royal%20George-03.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Royal%20George-03.jpg
Nicholas Peppas
27-01-2010, 23:47
Ολα πολυ ωραια αλλα αυτο το ROYAL GEORGE ειναι μεγαλοπρεπες
Το < ROMA >
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Roma-01.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Roma-01.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Roma-03.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Roma-03.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Roma-06.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Roma-06.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Roma-07.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Roma-07.jpg
Nicholas Peppas
28-01-2010, 14:30
Το < ROMA >
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Roma-01.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Roma-03.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Roma-06.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20R/slides/Roma-07.html
Ωραιες φωτογραφιες του Roma. Φαινεται οτι το πλοιο αυτο εκανε και μερικα ταξιδια απο τον Πειραια σαν μεταναστευτικο
http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=306155&postcount=84
Ωραιες φωτογραφιες του Roma. Φαινεται οτι το πλοιο αυτο εκανε και μερικα ταξιδια απο τον Πειραια σαν μεταναστευτικο
http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=306155&postcount=84
Και έλεγα ότι κάπου το είχα ξαναδεί. Εψαξα στην ενότητα με τις φωτογραφίες και όχι στα μεταναστευτικά.
Το VENEZIA> της Fabre line
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20V/slides/Venezia-01.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20V/slides/Venezia-01.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20V/slides/Venezia-02.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20V/slides/Venezia-02.jpg
Nicholas Peppas
29-01-2010, 00:37
Το VENEZIA> της Fabre line
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20V/slides/Venezia-01.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20V/slides/Venezia-02.html
Λοιπον, καταληγω στο συμπερασμα οτι η Fabre Line ειχε κατι σκουριασμενα παλιοκαραβα... Κακομοιροι μετανεστες!
Λοιπον, καταληγω στο συμπερασμα οτι η Fabre Line ειχε κατι σκουριασμενα παλιοκαραβα... Κακομοιροι μετανεστες!
Νίκο ,
Πιστεύω ότι τα μεταναστευτικά της εποχής εκείνης ήταν τα σύγχρονα δουλεμπορικά.
Στα παλιά πήγαιναν τους σκλάβους αλυσοδεμένους και με το ζόρι.
Στα νεώτερα <οι σκλάβοι> πλήρωναν για να υποφέρουν στο ταξίδι τους όποιους εξευτελισμούς και απαράδεκτες συνθήκες διαβίωσης
Το < MINNEKAHDA > της Atlantic Transport line
http://www.greatships.net/minnekahda.html
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PC-MI14.jpg
Although ordered from Harland & Wolff, Belfast, in 1913, Minnekahda was not launched until March 1917, the delay caused by other work deemed more vital to Britain's war effort. Upon completion, she entered service as a troopship, serving in that capacity until January 1920. Still not yet fitted out for passenger service, Minnekahda finally made her first commercial voyage for her owner, the Atlantic Transport Line, on 27 March 1920, from London to New York.
She remained on that service until October, also making one New York-Hamburg-London-New York roundtrip on charter to the American Line in July. She was then refitted with accommodations for 2,150 third-class passengers, and made her first sailing as a passenger liner on 31 March 1921, again on charter to the American Line, a New York-Hamburg-Naples-New York trip. Then, from May 1921 until January 1925, she remained in the American Line's service, on a New York-Hamburg route.
On 24 March 1925, Minnekahda finally made her first passenger sailing for ATL, from London to New York, after being refitted to a tourist/third cabin configuration. She made her final voyage on that route in September 1931, and was then laid up at New York. Four and a half years later, on 14 April 1936, she sailed from New York to be broken up at Dalmur, Scotland.
Sources: Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; Haws' Merchant Fleets in Profile.
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PL-MI01P01.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PL-MI01P02.jpg
http://www.greatships.net/scans/PL-MI01P03.jpg
Nicholas Peppas
31-01-2010, 00:14
Το < MINNEKAHDA > της Atlantic Transport line
http://www.greatships.net/minnekahda.html
Although ordered from Harland & Wolff, Belfast, in 1913, Minnekahda was not launched until March 1917, the delay caused by other work deemed more vital to Britain's war effort. Upon completion, she entered service as a troopship, serving in that capacity until January 1920. Still not yet fitted out for passenger service, Minnekahda finally made her first commercial voyage for her owner, the Atlantic Transport Line, on 27 March 1920, from London to New York.
She remained on that service until October, also making one New York-Hamburg-London-New York roundtrip on charter to the American Line in July. She was then refitted with accommodations for 2,150 third-class passengers, and made her first sailing as a passenger liner on 31 March 1921, again on charter to the American Line, a New York-Hamburg-Naples-New York trip. Then, from May 1921 until January 1925, she remained in the American Line's service, on a New York-Hamburg route.
On 24 March 1925, Minnekahda finally made her first passenger sailing for ATL, from London to New York, after being refitted to a tourist/third cabin configuration. She made her final voyage on that route in September 1931, and was then laid up at New York. Four and a half years later, on 14 April 1936, she sailed from New York to be broken up at Dalmur, Scotland.
Sources: Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; Haws' Merchant Fleets in Profile.
Μπραβο! Το βρηκες. Ηθελα να μαθω γι αυτο το πλοιο! Πολυ ενδιαφερον
Πληροφοριακά η Atlantic Transport line εκτός του MINNEKAHDA είχε και τα :
Mesaba (http://www.greatships.net/mesaba.html) , Minneapolis (http://www.greatships.net/minneapolis.html) , Minnehaha (http://www.greatships.net/minnehaha.html) , Minnekahda (http://www.greatships.net/minnekahda.html) , Minnetonka (http://www.greatships.net/minnetonka.html) Minnetonka (II) (http://www.greatships.net/minnetonka2.html) , Minnewaska (III) (http://www.greatships.net/minnewaska3.html) , Minnewaska (IV) (http://www.greatships.net/minnewaska4.html) , Mohegan (http://www.greatships.net/mohegan.html)
Μερικά ακόμη για το MINNEKAHDA
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/AtlanticTransport.html#anchor1319888
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/AtlanticTransport/Minnekahda-01.jpg
Postcard of Minnekahda.
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/AtlanticTransport/Minnekahda-03.jpg
Επίσης στοιχεία στο :
http://www.atlantictransportline.us/content/56Minnekahda.htm
Nicholas Peppas
31-01-2010, 02:34
Πληροφοριακά η Atlantic Transport line εκτός του MINNEKAHDA είχε και τα :
Mesaba (http://www.greatships.net/mesaba.html) , Minneapolis (http://www.greatships.net/minneapolis.html) , Minnehaha (http://www.greatships.net/minnehaha.html) , Minnekahda (http://www.greatships.net/minnekahda.html) , Minnetonka (http://www.greatships.net/minnetonka.html) Minnetonka (II) (http://www.greatships.net/minnetonka2.html) , Minnewaska (III) (http://www.greatships.net/minnewaska3.html) , Minnewaska (IV) (http://www.greatships.net/minnewaska4.html) , Mohegan (http://www.greatships.net/mohegan.html)
Τους αρεσαν τα πλοια που ειχαν ονοματα που ξεκινουσαν με Μ, οπως η αλλη Αμερικανικη εταιρεια που ειχε πλοια που αρχιζαν απο E
Το < Windsor Castle > Α!
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20W/slides/Windsor%20Castle-05.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20W/slides/Windsor%20Castle-05.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20W/slides/Windsor%20Castle-06.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20W/slides/Windsor%20Castle-06.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20W/slides/Windsor%20Castle-12.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20W/slides/Windsor%20Castle-12.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20W/slides/Windsor%20Castle-15.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20W/slides/Windsor%20Castle-15.jpg
Το < Windsor Castle > Β!
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20W/slides/Windsor%20Castle-03.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20W/slides/Windsor%20Castle-03.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20W/slides/Windsor%20Castle-14.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20W/slides/Windsor%20Castle-14.jpg
Φωτογραφίες δεν είναι.
Αν έχει ξαναμπεί δε γνωρίζω.
Στο βιντεάκι αυτό εμφανίζονται κάποια oceanliners
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbh3YSJR-Lw&feature=PlayList&p=A867AEB96F28150A&index=0
Άλλο ένα παρόμοιο βιντεάκι είναι το παρακάτω
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNDo2NnDtGA&feature=PlayList&p=A867AEB96F28150A&index=3
RMSP < ORCA >
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Orca-01.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Orca-01.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Orca-02.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Orca-02.jpg
Nicholas Peppas
15-02-2010, 15:46
Για τον φιλο τοξοτης και για οσους αλλους ενδιαφερονται για τα πολυ παλια υπερωκεανια και αλλα πλοια, παρουσιαζω εδω σελιδες απο το Lloyd's Register του 1901.
Οι σελιδες αυτες παρουσιαζουν ολα τα επιβατηγα και υπερωκεανια (κατα χωραν) με βαση την ταχυτητα τους και ξεκινωντας απο αυτα που εκαναν πανω απο 20 κομβους.
Οι λιστες αυτες μαλλον θα χαροποιησουν οσους απο εμας ενδιαφερομαστε για τα πολυ παλια πλοια.... Αναμεσα τους θα βρειτε και πολλα πλοια που εγιναν αργοτερα Ελληνικα επιβατηγα
7717977180
7718177182
Nicholas Peppas
15-02-2010, 15:49
Σελιδες απο το Lloyd's Register του 1901. 2.
Οι σελιδες αυτες παρουσιαζουν ολα τα επιβατηγα και υπερωκεανια (κατα χωραν) με βαση την ταχυτητα τους.
Οι λιστες αυτες μαλλον θα χαροποιησουν οσους απο εμας ενδιαφερομαστε για τα πολυ παλια πλοια.... Αναμεσα τους θα βρειτε και πολλα πλοια που εγιναν αργοτερα Ελληνικα επιβατηγα
7718377184
7718577186
7718777188
Nicholas Peppas
15-02-2010, 15:54
Σελιδες απο το Lloyd's Register του 1901.
Οι σελιδες αυτες παρουσιαζουν ολα τα επιβατηγα και υπερωκεανια (κατα χωραν) με βαση την ταχυτητα τους.
Οι λιστες αυτες μαλλον θα χαροποιησουν οσους απο εμας ενδιαφερομαστε για τα πολυ παλια πλοια.... Αναμεσα τους θα βρειτε και πολλα πλοια που εγιναν αργοτερα Ελληνικα επιβατηγα
7718977190
7719177192
7719377194
Από τα <αργά> του καταλόγου του Lloyd's Register 1901 που δημοσίευσε ο φίλος Νίκος Πέππας.
το <12αρι> PRINSES AMALIA
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20P/slides/Prinses%20Amalia-01.html
Prinses Amalia-01
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20P/slides/Prinses%20Amalia-01.jpg
Αλλο ένα <αργο 12αρι> απο την ίδια λίστα το
< SS BULARIAN>
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Bl/slides/Bulgarian-01.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Bl/slides/Bulgarian-01.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Bl/slides/Bulgarian-02.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Bl/slides/Bulgarian-02.jpg
Nicholas Peppas
17-02-2010, 21:33
Από τα <αργά> του καταλόγου του Lloyd's Register 1901 που δημοσίευσε ο φίλος Νίκος Πέππας.
το <12αρι> PRINSES AMALIA
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20P/slides/Prinses%20Amalia-01.html
Prinses Amalia-01
Ε βεβαια... Αυτο φαινεται πραγματι πολυ αργο
< CITY OF ROME >
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ci/slides/City%20of%20Rome-01.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ci/slides/City%20of%20Rome-01.jpg
Lloyd's Register του 1901 ( < 1000 G.T. )
< PRINCESS BEATRICE >
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20P/slides/Princess%20Beatrice-01.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20P/slides/Princess%20Beatrice-01.jpg
Nicholas Peppas
20-02-2010, 20:50
Lloyd's Register του 1901 ( < 1000 G.T. )
< MAGNETIC > (White Star Line)
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Ma/slides/Magnetic-01.html
Μικρουλη ηταν... Που πηγαινε;
Nicholas Peppas
20-02-2010, 20:54
Μικρουλη ηταν... Που πηγαινε;
Τωρα το βρηκα... Αδελφι του Electric που εγινε γνωστο σαν το Πελοποννησος (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=93484&highlight=electric) στην Ελλαδα http://www.gregormacgregor.com/Tod&Macgregor/Electric_142.htm
Lloyd's Register του 1901 ( < 1000 G.T. )
< OXUS > ( Messageries Maritimes )
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Oxus-01.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Oxus-01.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Oxus-02.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Oxus-02.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Oxus-03.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Oxus-03.jpg
Με την ευκαιρία και εκτός λάθους η εταιρεία αυτή δεν είναι που γύρω στα 1900 πλοία της περνούσαν από Κωνσταντινούπολη Τένεδο Μυτιλήνη κ.α νησιά.
Nicholas Peppas
20-02-2010, 21:02
Lloyd's Register του 1901 ( < 1000 G.T. )
< OXUS > ( Messageries Maritimes )
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Oxus-01.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Oxus-02.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20O/slides/Oxus-03.html
Με την ευκαιρία και εκτός λάθους η εταιρεία αυτή δεν είναι που γύρω στα 1900 πλοία της περνούσαν από Κωνσταντινούπολη Τένεδο Μυτιλήνη κ.α νησιά.
Φυσικα
Αυτη ηταν!
Διαβασε εδω http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=60301&highlight=messageries και θα δεις ολα τα πλοια. Αλλα το Oxus μαλλον πηγαινε στον Ινδικο Ωκεανο
Nicholas Peppas
20-02-2010, 21:11
Lloyd's Register του 1901 ( < 1000 G.T. )
< PRINCESS BEATRICE >
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20P/slides/Princess%20Beatrice-01.html
Θα το λεγαμε αδελφακι του Αιγαιου και της Αγγελικας μια και ανηκε στην ιδια ετιαρεια (Canadian Pacific). Εδω ενα ακομη αρθρο γι αυτο απο το γνωστο βιβλιο Pacific Coastal Liners του Gordon Newell & Joe Williamson, 1959
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Νίκο έχεις δίκιο και το πλοίο αυτό από λάθος μπήκε εδώ γιατί είναι > των 1.000 g.t.
Φυσικα
Αυτη ηταν!
Διαβασε εδω http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=60301&highlight=messageries και θα δεις ολα τα πλοια. Αλλα το Oxus μαλλον πηγαινε στον Ινδικο Ωκεανο
Έχεις δίκιο
http://www.nautilia.gr/forum//attachment.php?attachmentid=35076&d=1239234266
< SAGHALIEN > (Messageries Maritimes)
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saghalien-04.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saghalien-04.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saghalien-05.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saghalien-05.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saghalien-06.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saghalien-06.jpg
Απορία : Επειδή όλα τα πλοία της εταιρείας αυτής που έχω δει <ήταν μαύρα> το πιο πάνω εικονιζόμενο <άσπρο> ήταν εξαίρεση ή ήταν αγορά από άλλη εταιρεία και δεν είχαν αλλάξει ακόμη τα χρώματα ??
loyd's Register του 1901
< SAGHALIEN > 2 (Messageries Maritimes)
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saghalien-07.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saghalien-07.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saghalien-08.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saghalien-08.jpg
loyd's Register του 1901
Nicholas Peppas
24-02-2010, 14:01
< SAGHALIEN > (Messageries Maritimes)
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saghalien-04.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saghalien-05.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saghalien-06.html
Απορία : Επειδή όλα τα πλοία της εταιρείας αυτής που έχω δει <ήταν μαύρα> το πιο πάνω εικονιζόμενο <άσπρο> ήταν εξαίρεση ή ήταν αγορά από άλλη εταιρεία και δεν είχαν αλλάξει ακόμη τα χρώματα ??
loyd's Register του 1901
Ο φιλος μας ο Ραμονα γραφει στο http://www.es-conseil.fr/pramona/saghal.htm οτι Le Saghalien peint en blanc, entre 1895 et 1905
Επισης διαβασε εδω http://www.frenchlines.com/ship_fr_1315.php
< SAGHALIEN > 2 (Messageries Maritimes)
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saghalien-07.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20Sa/slides/Saghalien-08.html
loyd's Register του 1901
Το πλοιο χαθηκε στην αποβαση της Καλλιπολεως (Gallipoli) κατα την διαρκεια του Πρωτου Παγκοσμιου Πολεμου
Nicholas Peppas
28-02-2010, 22:12
ORION
Πηγή : www.fremantleports.com.au/.../19801989.asp (http://www.fremantleports.com.au/.../19801989.asp)
1961 Orient Liner Orion
Rare video from the end of Orion... From British Pathé
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=62886
Nicholas Peppas
12-03-2010, 14:02
ULIMAROA
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20U/slides/Ulimaroa-02.html
What a wonderful ship! She was doing the route from Melbourne, Australia to Hobart Tasmania as well as to New Zealand from 1908-1930. Here are two nice photos from 1910 in Melbourne
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SS Ulimaroa at pier at Port Melbourne, 27 April 1910. Photograph taken by Thomas Beckett.
Part of a collection of glass plate negatives taken by Dr Thomas George Beckett, doctor, pioneering radiologist and amateur photographer between 1891 and 1910. The collection is primarily of Beckett's family, friends, homes, and towns and suburbs where Beckett and his family lived, including Charlton in central Victoria and Northcote & South Yarra, suburbs of Melbourne, Victoria.
Museum of Victoria, Australia
SS Ulimaroa
Biult 1908, Gourlay Brothers, Dundee, Scotland
Tonnage 5,777 tons
Speed 15 knots
Scrapped 1934 in Kobe, Japan
JAN PIETERSZOON COEN
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20J/slides/Jan%20Pieterszoon%20Coen-01.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20J/slides/Jan%20Pieterszoon%20Coen-01.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20J/slides/Jan%20Pieterszoon%20Coen-02.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20J/slides/Jan%20Pieterszoon%20Coen-02.jpg
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20J/slides/Jan%20Pieterszoon%20Coen-03.html
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20J/slides/Jan%20Pieterszoon%20Coen-03.jpg
TSS QUEEN ANNA MARIA
08-04-2010, 13:47
Άρη, το El Djezair μου μοιάζει για πρόγονος των αδελφών President de Cazalet/Sidi Bel Abbes, με δύο τσιμινιέρες.
Nicholas Peppas
08-04-2010, 13:50
Άρη, το El Djezair μου μοιάζει για πρόγονος των αδελφών President de Cazelet/Sidi Bel Abbes, με δύο τσιμινιέρες.
Και αυτο το El Djezair http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=327385&postcount=3 ποιο ειναι;
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