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ÅðéóôñïöÞ óôï Forum : ×áëêéäéêÞ [Kehrwieder, Chalkidiki]



Nicholas Peppas
15-05-2009, 19:43
Chalkidiki was a small German ship, a tender for big ocean liner boats in Hamburg, given to Greece after World War II. See http://albert-ballin.ws24.cc/text_22429421_95219192_98184629_deutsch.html for a detailed presentation.

She was a HAPAG ship, a luxurious tender, built in 1901 in Geestemunde by Seebeck Werft (see http://werften.fischtown.de/archiv/ssw2.html) in Bremerhaven and named Kehrwieder. She had 52 m length, 9.1 m width and 560 tons!!!



IDNo: 5601485 Year: 1901
Name: KEHRWIEDER Launch Date:
Type: Tug Date of completion: 4.01
Flag: DEU Keel:
Tons: 560 Link: 2488
DWT: Yard No: 161
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: 52.1 Country of build: DEU
Beam: 9.1 Builder: Seebeck
Material of build: Location of yard: Geestemunde
Number of screws/Mchy/
Speed(kn): 1T-13
Owner as Completed: Hamburg-Amerika Linie (Hapag), Hamburg
End: 1946
Subsequent History: 46 CHALKIDIKI
Disposal Data: boiler explosion at Piraeus 12.12.46


But she had great capabilities for transport of passengers as well. A German Web site describes her success before World War II.



Für die Hapag, Hamburg, lief am 7.12.1900 der Frachter Kehrwieder bei Seebeck vom Stapel und wurde am 4.4.1901 an die Reederei abgeliefert. Das 560 BRT große Schiff war als kleines Lazarettschiff im II. Weltkrieg vorgesehen. Wegen der langen Umbaufristen sah man davon ab.
Im Juni 1900 hatte die alte Firma F.W. Wencke (http://werften.fischtown.de/archiv/wencke1.html) unter dem damaligen Besitzer Nicolaus Wencke Konkurs anmelden müssen. Seebeck erwarb den Platz mit Trockendock und Querhelling. Seebeck besaß nun fünf Docks.


She was ceded to Greece in 1946. She was taken over by the Greek Government and placed in the “Executive Committee of Passenger Shipping”. She was named Chalkidiki and started running longer trade routes… Here she is presented in an ad of the week of August 9, 1947. Her schedule was Piraeus, Patmos, Leros, Kalymnos, Kos, Nisyros, Symi, Rodos, Kastellorizo.

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Miramar indicates that Chalkidiki was disposed of as a result of a "boiler explosion at Piraeus on 12.12.46" but this cannot be correct as she was still doing voyages in 1947... Also A. Tzamtzis in his I Elliniki Epivatigos Nautilia, Miletos, Athens mentions (page 84) that Chalkidiki was stlli in service running domestic lines on January 1, 1949.

Does anyone know what happened to her?

NB: Those who are looking for German passenger and freight ships that "made it" past World War II will find this site very helpful http://parkbank.kilu.de/maritim/hansa/verbleib.htm

Ellinis
16-05-2009, 11:15
Ôï ×ÁËÊÉÄÉÊÇ ðïõëÞèçêå ôï 1951 óå êÜðïéïí Äåëïýóç ìå ôç äõíáôüôçôá íá äéáëõèåß (Üëëá êáñÜâéá ðïõëÞèçêáí ôüôå áðï ôï äçìüóéï ìå ôçí õðï÷ñÝùóç íá óõíå÷Þóïõí íá ôáîéäåýïõí).
Ôï áí ðñáãìáôéêÜ äéáëýèçêå äåí ôï ãíùñßæù.

ÕðïøéÜæïìáé ðùò åßíáé ôï áõôü ðïõ öáßíåôáé åäþ (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=56836&postcount=1)ðáñïðëéóìÝíï óôá ÁìðåëÜêéá. ¹äç áðü ôï 1949 ôï ðëïßï áíáöÝñåôáé ïôé Þôáí ðñïò ðþëçóç.

Íá êáé ôï ó÷åôéêü Üñèñï áðü åöçìåñßäá ôçò åðï÷Þò. Óôçí ðëþñç äéáêñßíåôáé áêüìç ôï ãåñìáíéêü ôïõ üíïìá.

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Nicholas Peppas
16-05-2009, 15:43
�α και το σχετικό ά�θ�ο από εφημε�ίδα της εποχής. Στην πλώ�η διακ�ίνεται ακόμη το γε�μανικό του όνομα.
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This of course is a very welcome photograph and it shows the Kehrwieder when she had first arrived in Piraeus. Pictures of this ship while in Germany are hard to find. But seeing it I think of the Hertha (Heimara), the Wiedau and other ships that came to Greece at the end of their career...

Maybe I did not stress well enough that Kehrwieder served as a hospital ship during her War years. "Das 560 BRT große Schiff war als kleines Lazarettschiff im II. Weltkrieg vorgesehen. " This is important also for another reason. If you check the picture in Piraeus, the ship to her left which can be barely seen, is Peiraieus, which was already doing passenger service in 1946. This is the former Stamira and Freiburg, which became the well known Elli Togia and then Elsi! The importance of this picture is that both Kehrwieder (Chalkidiki) and Freiburg (Peiraieus) were hospital ships for the German navy! See Aris' statements from the Elsi side, below


Με την κατά�ευση της Ιταλίας πε�ιήλθε στους Γε�μανο�ς που το μετονόμασαν FREIBURG για χ�ήση ως πλωτό νοσοκομείο.
Το 1947 πεÏ�ιήλθε στην Ελλάδα ως Î*ΕΙΡΑΙΕΥΣ και το 1948 το πήÏ�ε ο Ιωάννης Τόγιας που του Î*δωσε το όνομα ΕΛΣΗ.


From a German Website http://80.237.193.200:8000/article.php?url=/ha/1982/xml/19821129xml/habxml821012_7289.xml of the newspaper Hamburger Abendblatt of November 29, 1982, we learn some more facts about our ship.


Fast ein Vierteljahrhundert lang schipperte die "Prinzessin Heinrich" (919 BRT) zwischen Hamburg und dem Roten Felsen. 1920 gab sie die Hapag an den Seedienst Ostpreussen ab. Ein langes, wechselvolles Sctüffsleben hatte Dampfer "Kehrwieder". Seine "Personallen" lesen sich wie Seemannsgarn:
--- 1901 in Geestemünde gebaut,
--- bis 1914 im Helgoland-Dienst,
--- im Krieg Lazarettschiff der Marine,
--- 1919 als Reparation an Frankreich,
--- von 1920 bis 1938 wieder Kurs Helgoland,
--- nach dem Zweiten Weltkrieg von den Engländern beschlagnahmt.
--- Später fuhr das betagte Schiff als "Chalkidiki" unter griechischer Flagge in der Agäis.
--- 1946 ging der Veteran nach einer Kesselexplosion unter. {NB, NAP: nicht wahr}


So, our ship was in the Hamburg-Helgoland route from 1901-14, then a hospital ship during World War I, then in France as a reparation (for just 1919-20), then again in Helgoland and also during World War II she was also taken by the British.

One last warning. When searching for Kehrwieder facts, recognize teh existence of a second, more well known ship by the same name in the post-war years. She was known originally as the Bubendey and was built in 1913. See http://www.schiffe-maxim.de/bubendey.htm and http://www.feldgrau.com/hs-gluckauf.html

In the Greek site http://androspoets.homestead.com/cycladeships.html (http://androspoets.homestead.com/cycladeships.html) I. Simosis mentions the following :


Α/Î* «ΧΑΛΚΙΔΙΚΗ»
Ήταν το Ï€Ï�ώτο πλοίο που θυμάμαι μετά απΆ τις κοÏ�βÎ*τες. ΕχÏ�ησιμοποιείτο για τη μεταφοÏ�ά επιβατών ενώ η κατασκευή του μαÏ�τυÏ�οÏ�σε ότι είχε ναυπηγηθεί για κάποια άλλη ειδική χÏ�ήση. Ήταν πολÏ� χαμηλό σκάφος, είχε δÏ�ο υψηλÎ*Ï‚ τσιμινιÎ*Ï�ες, τη μία κοντά στην άλλη. Το χÏ�ώμα του ήταν γκÏ�ι σκοÏ�Ï�ο (ίσως να ήταν και αυτό του στόλου). Δεν είχε υπεÏ�κατασκευάσματα για την υποδοχή πολλών επιβατών. ΣÏ�ντομα απεσÏ�Ï�θει από τις γÏ�αμμÎ*Ï‚.

Well we can say tha the memories are not exactly correct as this ship was not a corvette!

Here is now an announcement in the September 21, 1946 issue of Athens' Eleutheria stating the reception of four out of 39 German ships given to Greece after World War II as reparation. One of teh four mentioned is Kehrwieder or our Chalkidiki, listed as built in 1901 and having 600 tons.

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Το ΧΑΛΚΙΔΙΚΗ πουλήθηκε το 1951 σε κάποιον ΔελοÏ�ση με τη δυνατότητα να διαλυθεί (άλλα καÏ�άβια πουλήθηκαν τότε απο το δημόσιο με την υποχÏ�Î*ωση να συνεχήσουν να ταξιδεÏ�ουν).
Το αν π�αγματικά διαλ�θηκε δεν το γνω�ίζω.
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Ari, I wonder if she was not sold in December 1948. Look at the announcement of the auction. It is interesting that we do not find any mention of Chalkidiki after that date... Was she simply idle?

By the way, the Cyclops mentioned will get her own thread soon. I wonder if the Niki is the same ship we saw in Argosaronikos in the very early 1950s.

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The article is from November11, 1948

Nicholas Peppas
24-08-2009, 05:30
Chalkidiki was a small German ship, a tender for big ocean liner boats in Hamburg, given to Greece after World War II. She was a HAPAG ship, a luxurious tender, built in 1901 in Geestemunde by Seebeck Werft (see http://werften.fischtown.de/archiv/ssw2.html) in Bremerhaven and named Kehrwieder. She had 52 m length, 9.1 m width and 560 tons!!!

Here is Kehrwieder in a rare and poor photograph which is probably after World War II

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Ellinis
24-08-2009, 09:32
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Nicholas Peppas
24-08-2009, 13:09
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Ìðïñåé íá å÷åéò äéêéï áëëá åìåíá ìïõ öáéíåôáé áëëç öùôïãñáöéá ôçí éäéá çìåñá áðï áëëç ãùíéá.

Nicholas Peppas
19-10-2009, 04:26
Å÷ïõìå âñåé ùñéóìåíåò óðáíéåò öùôïãñáöéåò ôïõ ðëïéïõ Kehrwieder ïôáí çôáí óôçí Ãåñìáíéá êáé óõãêåêñéìåíá óôá 1925. Ïé öùôïãñáöéåò áõôåò åéíáé óðáíéåò ãéáôé ôï Kehrwieder äåí çôáí åíá êáíïíéêï åðéâáôçãï. Ðåñáóå ôçí ðåñéóóïôåñç ôïõ æùç óáí âïçèçôéêï ôçò HAPAG ìåôáöåñïíôáò ôïõò åðéâáôåò ðñùôçò èåóåùò áðï ôá ìåãáëá õðåñùêåáíåéá óôá ëéìáíéá êáé ôáíáðáëéí... Ôá äõï öïõãáñá çôáí ìåñïò ôïõ ó÷åäéïõ ôçò åôáéñåéáò... Åðñåðå íá äåéîïõí ïôé áêïìç êáé ôï âïçèçôéêï çôáí óðïõäáéï ðëïéï.

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Tï ðëïéï Kehrwieder óôçí Ãåñìáíéá ôï 1925.
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Ôï ×ÁËÊÉÄÉÊÇ ðïõëÞèçêå ôï 1951 óå êÜðïéïí Äåëïýóç ìå ôç äõíáôüôçôá íá äéáëõèåß (Üëëá êáñÜâéá ðïõëÞèçêáí ôüôå áðï ôï äçìüóéï ìå ôçí õðï÷ñÝùóç íá óõíå÷Þóïõí íá ôáîéäåýïõí).
Ôï áí ðñáãìáôéêÜ äéáëýèçêå äåí ôï ãíùñßæù.

ÕðïøéÜæïìáé ðùò åßíáé ôï áõôü ðïõ öáßíåôáé åäþ (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=56836&postcount=1)ðáñïðëéóìÝíï óôá ÁìðåëÜêéá. ¹äç áðü ôï 1949 ôï ðëïßï áíáöÝñåôáé ïôé Þôáí ðñïò ðþëçóç.


Óõãêñéíïíôáò ôéò äõï öùôïãñáöéåò, Ellinis å÷åéò áðïëõôï äéêéï. Åéíáé ôï éäéï ðëïéï!
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Nicholas Peppas
26-11-2010, 05:02
Êáéíïõñéá êáñô ðïóôáë ôïõ ðëïéïõ Kehrwieder ëéãï ðñéí áðï ôïí ðïëåìï

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Ðçãç: ãåñìáíéêï E-bay

Nicholas Peppas
23-03-2011, 01:54
Ôï åîáéñåôéêï ðëïéï ×áëêéäéêç ïôáí çôáí Kehrwieder ðñï ôïõ ðïëåìïõ.

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Nicholas Peppas
25-01-2013, 07:48
Ôï êéíçìáôïãñáöéêï åñãï Ç áãíç ôïõ ëéìáíéïõ ðáéêôçêå ôï öèéíïðùñï ôïè 1952 êáé åêáíå ðáôáãï, öèáíïíôáò ôåëéêá íá åéíáé ôï äåõôåñï öéëì ôïõ 1952-53 ìå 85.000 åéóéôçñéá óôçí ðñùôç ðñïâïëç. Ç áãíç ôïõ ëéìáíéïõ çôáí åñãï ôçò Öéíïò Öéëìò. Ìéá ðáñáãùãç ôïõ Öéëïðïéìåíïò Öéíïõ ìå óêçíïèåóéá ôïõ áãáðçôïõ ìáò Ãéùñãïõ Ôæáâåëëá êáé ìïõóéêç ôïõ íåáñïôáôïõ ôïôå Ìáíïõ ×áôæçäáêé (26 åôùí) ðïõ åìöáíéæåôáé óôï åñãï íá ðáéæåé ðéáíï óôï ìðáñ ôçò Ôñïõìðáò. Ôï åñãï óôåêåôáé ìåôá áðï 61 ÷ñïíéá ëïãù óðïõäáéùí åñìçíåéùí áðï ôïí ìåãáëï ìáò çèïðïéï Ãéùñãï Ãëçíï (1895-1961), ôçí åîáéñåôéêç Åëåíç ×áôæçáñãõñç (1923-2004), ôïí Áëåêï Áëåîáíäñáêç êáé ôçí åêðëçêôéêç Åëåíç Æáöåéñéïõ (1914-2004) ðïõ åìöáíéæåôáé óôï åñãï óáí "Íéôóá Æáöåéñéïõ". Ðáñ ïôé 37 åôùí êáôá ôï ãõñéóìá ôïõ åñãïõ, åêáíå (ïðùò ðáíôá) ìéá ìçôåñá 50 ç éóùò êáé ðáñá ðáíù åôùí, ôçí ìçôåñá ôçò ×áôæçáñãõñç ðïõ çôáí ôïôå 30 åôùí. (Áé Æáöåéñéïõ êáé ×áôæçáñãõñç ðåèáíáí ôï 2004 ìå 29 ìåñåò äéáöïñá...).

Ðáñá ðïëëåò óêçíåò êéíçìáôïãñáöçèçêáí óôï ìåãáëï ëéìáíé êáé óôá Áìðåëáêéá. Äõóêïëï íá âñåé êáíåéò ôåôïéåò óêçíåò ðáëéùí ðëïéùí áðï ôïóï ðáëéá åðï÷ç (ôåëç 1951). Áíáìåóá óôá áëëá ðëïéá âëåðïõìå ôï Êáäéù íá âãáéíåé áðï ôïí Ðåéñáéá, ôçí Áíáôïëç êáé áëëá! Áëëá ôï äéáìáíôáêé ðïõ äõóêïëá ôï âñéóêïõìå óå öùôïãñáöéåò ôçò åðï÷çò åéíáé ôï ðáñïðëéóìåíï ×áëêéäéêç.

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Óçì. Õðáñ÷åé êáé ìéá ùñáéïôáôç öùôïãñáöéá ôïõ ðëïéïõ áðï ôïí Ìåãáëïïéêïíïìïõ ðïõ ìïõ ôçí åäùóå åíáò êáëïò ðáëéïò öéëïò áðï ôçí Ñáöçíá ïôáí ðñùôïîåêéíçóá åäù ðñï 3 åôùí

Ellinis
26-01-2013, 11:10
Ôï ×ÁËÊÉÄÉÊÇ óôïõ ÎáâÝñç áíÜìåóá óôçí ðñþçí êïñâÝôá ÈÅÓÓÁËÏÍÉÊÇ êáé Ýíá öïñôçãü. Óôï öüíôï ôï åñãïóôÜóéï "ÊáíÝëëïõ"

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Öùôï Ê.Ìåãáëïïéêïíüìïõ.

Nicholas Peppas
10-03-2013, 15:26
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Íá êáé ôï ó÷åôéêü Üñèñï áðü åöçìåñßäá ôçò åðï÷Þò. Óôçí ðëþñç äéáêñßíåôáé áêüìç ôï ãåñìáíéêü ôïõ üíïìá.
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Ç éäéá öùôïãñáöéá ôïõ ×áëêéäéêç óå êáðùò êáëõôåñç êáôáóôáóç áðï ôçí åöçìåñéäá Åëëçíéêïí Áéìá ôçò 9çò Öåâñïõáñéïõ 1947. Áñéóôåñá ôï Ðåéñáéåõò, áñãïôåñá Åëëç Ôïãéá.

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Ellinis
16-03-2013, 16:10
¸íáò ùñáßïò ðßíáêáò ôïõ æùãñÜöïõ Í.Êïíôïãåþñãç ìå ôï áôìüðëïéï ×ÁËÊÉÄÉÊÇ. Áðü ôç óõëëïãÞ ôïõ Ê.Èùêôáñßäç.

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Nicholas Peppas
21-04-2013, 07:44
Ôï ìåãáëï êáé ùñáéï ãåñìáíéêï ðëïéï Kehrwieder ðïõ åãéíå áñãïôåñá ôï ×áëêéäéêç.
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Ìå ôï ôåëåõôáéï ôïõ ïíïìá åãéíå ãíùóôï óáí áêôïðëïéêï óôá ôåëç ôçò äåêáåôéáò ôïõ 1940. Êáô åîï÷çí ðëïéï ãéá ôéò Êõêëáäåò êáé ôçí Áíáôïëéêç Ðåëïðïíçóóï.

Åäù äõï äñïìïëïãéá ôçò 12çò Éïõëéïõ êáé ôçò 4çò Íïåìâñéïõ 1947.
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Nicholas Peppas
21-04-2013, 08:08
Ìéá ùñáéïôáôç ðñïðïëåìéêç öùôïãñáöéá ôïõ ðëïéïõ Kehrwieder áðï ôï Áìâïõñãï.
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Êáé åäù ìéá åîáéñåôéêç êáñô ðïóôáë ôïõ éäéïõ.
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Êáé ïé äõï ðñïåñ÷ïíôáé áðï ôï ãåñìáíéêï Ebay

Ôï ×áëêéäéêç çôáí ðëïéï ôùí åðáíïñèùóåùí. Óå åéäçóç ôçò 5çò Öåâñïõáñéïõ 1947 áíáöåñåôáé ïôé ôï ðëïéï åé÷å öèáóåé óôçí Ìáëôá óôïí äñïìï ãéá ôïí Ðåéñáéá.
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Êáé åäù äõï åíäéáöåñïõóåò åéäçóåéò áðï ôçí åöçìåñéäá Ðáôìïò.
Óôéò 21 Áðñéëéïõ 1947 ìéá áíáêïéíùóç ïôé ôï ðëïéï ×áëêéäéêç ðñïêåéôáé íá äñïìïëïãçèåé óôçí Äùäåêáíçóï.
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Êáé ìåôá, óôéò 1 Óåðôåìâñéïõ 1947, äéáâáæïõìå ðåñéóóïôåñá íåá.
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Nicholas Peppas
21-04-2013, 15:32
Ìåôá áðï ôçí äñïìïëïãçóç ôïõ óôá Äùäåêáíçóá, äéáâáæïõìå ó÷åôéêç êáôá÷ùñçóç óôçí Êáèçìåñéíç ôçò 10çò Éïõíéïõ 1948.
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Ëéãïõò ìçíåò áñãïôåñá, óôéò 19 Äåêåìâñéïõ 1948 äéáâáæïõìå êáé ðáëéí óôçí Êáèçìåñéíç ãéá ôçåí åêôåëåóç ôçò áãïíçò ãñáììçò Âïñåéïõ Áéãáéïõ áðï ôï ×áëêéäéêç.
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Ilias 92
21-04-2013, 16:40
Ðñïöáíþò Íßóõñï ÔÞëï Óýìç èá åííïåß ôï äçìïóßåõìá.
Ï Äáßìùí ôïõ ôõðïãñáöåßïõ…

Nicholas Peppas
21-04-2013, 16:43
Ðñïöáíþò Íßóõñï ÔÞëï Óýìç èá åííïåß ôï äçìïóßåõìá.
Ï Äáßìùí ôïõ ôõðïãñáöåßïõ…

×áéñïìáé ïôé äéáâáæïíôáé ïëá ìå ëåðôïìåñåéá.. Óå ëéãï êáé áëëá ãé áõôï ôï óðïõäáéï ðëïéï (éóùò êáðùò ðéï óðïõäéáï óôçí âïñåéï Ãåñìáíéá áðï ïóï óôçí Åëëáäá)

Nicholas Peppas
21-04-2013, 22:31
Ôï êéíçìáôïãñáöéêï åñãï Ç áãíç ôïõ ëéìáíéïõ ðáé÷ôçêå ôï öèéíïðùñï ôïõ 1952. Ðáñá ðïëëåò óêçíåò êéíçìáôïãñáöçèçêáí óôï ìåãáëï ëéìáíé êáé óôá Áìðåëáêéá. Áíáìåóá óôá áëëá ðëïéá âëåðïõìå êáé ôï ×áëêéäéêç... Ðñåðåé íá çôáí óôá ôåëåõôáéá ôïõ êáé íá åé÷å äåóåé óôá Áìðåëáêéá.
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Ôåëéêá åöèáóå íá åéíáé ôï äåõôåñï öéëì ôçò óéáæïí 1952-53 ìå 85.000 åéóéôçñéá óôçí ðñùôç ðñïâïëç. Ç áãíç ôïõ ëéìáíéïõ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQrMq5xnbM) çôáí ìéá ðáñáãùãç ôïõ Öéëïðïéìåíïò Öéíïõ ìå óêçíïèåóéá ôïõ áãáðçôïõ ìáò Ãéùñãïõ Ôæáâåëëá êáé ìïõóéêç ôïõ íåáñïôáôïõ ôïôå Ìáíïõ ×áôæçäáêé (26 åôùí, åäù ðáéæåé ðéáíï êáé ôñáãïèäá ç Ìáéñç Ðïñôïêáëëç http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaqjA8B2BJs) ðïõ åìöáíéæåôáé óôï åñãï íá ðáéæåé ðéáíï óôá ìðáñ ôçò Ôñïõìðáò. Ôï åñãï "óôåêåôáé" ìåôá áðï 61 ÷ñïíéá ëïãù óðïõäáéùí åñìçíåéùí áðï ôïí ìåãáëï ìáò çèïðïéï Ãéùñãï Ãëçíï (1895-1961), ôçí åîáéñåôéêç Åëåíç ×áôæçáñãõñç (1923-2004), ôïí Áëåêï Áëåîáíäñáêç (1928-2005) êáé ôçí åêðëçêôéêç Åëåíç Æáöåéñéïõ (1914-2004) ðïõ åìöáíéæåôáé óôï åñãï óáí "Íéôóá Æáöåéñéïõ".

Ãéá ôï ×áëêéäéêç, êïéôáîôå áðï 34:15 ìå÷ñé 35:30 åäù http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQrMq5xnbM
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Áîéæåé íá óçìåéùèåé ïôé óôçí ôáéíéá áõôç õðáñ÷ïõí óêçíåò ìå ðëáíá áðï ðïëëá ðáëáéá ðëïéá åéôå åãêáôáëåëåéìåíá óôá Áìðåëáêéá åéôå ìåóá óôïí Ðåéñáéá. Áîéæåé íá ðñïóðáèçóåé íá ôá áíáãíùñéóåé êáíåéò... Åäù åíá still áðï ôçí ôáéíéá ðïõ ôï åóôåëíå ç Öéíïò ãéá äéáöçìéóç. Äåé÷íåé ôï Áëåêï Áëåîáíäñáêç êáé ôçí Åëåíç ×áôæçáñãõñç ìðñïóôá óå êáðïéï áãíùóôï ðëïéï, ìáëëïí ñõìïõëêï (Óçì: Ìðáò êáé åéíáé ôï Êõêëùø ðïõ ðåñéìåíå íá ðïõëçèåé êé áõôï; ). Ï Áëåêïò Áëåîáíäñáêçò åãéíå ðïëõáãáðçìåíïò çèïðïéïò ôïõ êéíçìáôïãñáöïõ (ðáñ ïôé åðáéîå ðïëõ êáé óôï èåáôñï), ç Åëåíç ×áôæçáñãõñç ìåãáëç çèïðïéïò ôïõ èåáôñïõ (áöïõ áöçóå êáé ìåñéêá ãíùóôá ìåëï). Ïôáí ãõñéóèçêå ôï åñãï, ï Áëåîáíäñáêçò çôáí 23 åôùí êáé ç ×áôæçáñãõñç 28. Äåí èá îå÷áóù ðïôå ôïí Áëåêï Áëåîáíäñáêç êáé ôïí Äçìçôñç ×ïñí óå ìéá êáôáðëçêôéêç ðáñáóôáóç ôïõ åñãïõ ôïõ Áíôïíé Óåéöåñ "Óëïõè" óôçí Áèçíá, to 1970. Êáé ïé äõï åöáìéëëïé ôïõ Sir Lawrence Olivier êáé ôïõ Michael Caine óôï áíôéóôïé÷ï êéíçìáôïãñáöéêï åñãï Sleuth.

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Nicholas Peppas
21-12-2013, 21:28
Äõï ùñáéïôáôåò ðñïðïëåìéêåò êáñô ðïóôáë ôïõ ðëïéïõ Kehrwieder ðïõ çôáí åíá äéáìáíôé ôçò Ãåñìáíéêçò Áêôïðëïéáò ãéá ôáîéäéá óôçí ðåñéï÷ç Áìâïõñãïõ. Óôçí ìéá âëåðïõìå êáé ôçí ÷áñáêôçóéôéêç ðñõìíç ôïõ ðëïéïõ, ðñõìíç ãéá ùñáéåò ñåìâáæåò ïôáí ôï ðëïéï åãéíå ôï Åëëçíéêï ×áëêéäéêç êáé åêáíå ôáîéäéá êáôá ôçí Êáëõìíï êáé ôçí Êù..

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Ellinis
07-02-2014, 14:56
Ná ðñïóèÝóù ìéá öùôïãñáößá ðïõ ìïõ åß÷å óôåßëåé Ýíáò ößëïò áðü ôç Ãåñìáíßá ðñéí ìåñéêÜ ÷ñüíéá ìå ìéá åíäéáöÝñïõóá åðåîÞãçóç ôïõ ôé âëÝðïõìå.
Ç öùôïãñáößá åßíáé ôïõ Áðñéëßïõ ôïõ 1946 êáôÜ ôï ðñþôï ìåôáðïëåìéêü ôïõ ôáîßäé êáé ëßãï ðñéí ôï ðëïßï Ýñèåé óôçí ÅëëÜäá. Åäþ ôï KEHRWIEDER Ý÷åé óôçí ðëþñç ôïõ Ýíá êùäéêü, ðïõ ëåãüôáí "Alliiertenkontrollnummer" êáéðïõ åß÷å ðñïóôåèåß óå êÜèå ðëïßï ðïõ ôáîßäåøå ôüôå óôçí êáôå÷üìåíç áðü ôïõò ÓõììÜ÷ïõò Ãåñìáíßá. Ôá ðëïßá ôüôå äåí åðéôñåðüôáí íá Ý÷ïõí åìöáíÝò ôï üíïìá ôïõò êáé ýøùíáí ìüíï ìéá óçìáßá ìå Ýíá êùäéêü êáé ü÷é ôç ãåñìáíéêÞ. Óå Ýíäåéîç äéáìáñôõñßáò ïñéóìÝíïé ðëïéïêôÞôåò äåí ýøùíáí êáèüëïõ óçìáßá.

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Ðáíáãéþôçò
07-02-2014, 15:53
Ôá ðëïßá ôüôå äåí åðéôñåðüôáí íá Ý÷ïõí åìöáíÝò ôï üíïìá ôïõò êáé ýøùíáí ìüíï ìéá óçìáßá ìå Ýíá êùäéêü êáé ü÷é ôç ãåñìáíéêÞ. Óå Ýíäåéîç äéáìáñôõñßáò ïñéóìÝíïé ðëïéïêôÞôåò äåí ýøùíáí êáèüëïõ óçìáßá.


Åß÷áí áíôß ãéá óçìáßá ôï óéíéÜëï ãéá ôï ãñÜììá C øáëéäéóìÝíï.
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¼ðùò âëÝðïõìå åäþ (http://www.fotw.net/flags/de1945.html#law) ç äéáôáîç ãéá ôï óéíéáëï êáèéåñþèçêå ìåôÜ ôï ÍïÝìâñéï ôïõ 1946 ãéá áõôü äåí öáßíåôáé óôçí öùôïãñáößá ôïõ Áðñéëßïõ ôïõ 1946, áöïý Þôáí õðï÷ñåùôéêü êáé õðÞñ÷å ðñüóôéìï áí äåí öáéíüôáí.

Nicholas Peppas
25-01-2015, 23:42
Kehrwieder, ôï ìåôåðåéôá ×áëêéäéêç.
www.ebay.de (http://www.ebay.de)

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Êáé ìéá öùôïãñáöéá ôïõ Kehrwieder ìåôá áðï ôéò 30/10/1917 êáé ðñï ôïõ 1919.

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Ellinis
29-01-2015, 09:13
Ìéá öùôïãñáößá ðïõ äåß÷íåé ôï ðëïßï ìå ôá óéíéÜëá ðïõ õéïèÝôçóå ç Hamburg Amerika ôï 1927.
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Ùò tender ìåôÝöåñå åðéâÜôåò êáé åìðïñåýìáôá áðü êáé ðñïò ôá õðåñùêåÜíåéá ôçò åôáéñßáò óôï Áìâïýñãï. Ç Hamburg-Amerika Ýäùóå îáíÜ ôï üíïìá KEHRWIEDER óå Ýíá Üëëï tender ðïõ áãüñáóå ôï 1960. Áñãüôåñá Þñèå êáé áõôü óôç Ìåóüãåéï ùò ANNA MARIA LAURO, êÜðùò åêìïíôåñíéóìÝíï üðùò âëÝðïõìå óå áõôÞ ôç öùôïãñáößá. Ðåñéóóüôåñá ãéá áõôü ôï óêÜöïò õðÜñ÷ïõí åäþ (http://www.schiffe-maxim.de/bubendey.htm).

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ôïîïôçò
15-03-2017, 20:32
Ôï ' ×ÁËÊÉÄÉÊÇ " Þ ìÜëëïí êáëýôåñá ìÝñïò ôïõ ×ÁËÊÉÄÉÊÇ

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http://www.greekshippingmiracle.org/el/special-sections/greek-pessenger/greek-coastal.html

Nicholas Peppas
03-06-2017, 05:26
Ôï ×ÁËÊÉÄÉÊÇ óôï Åèíïò óôéò 16/7/1947

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Ellinis
21-03-2018, 15:30
Ôñåéò áêüìç öùôïãñáößåò ôïõ ðëïßïõ üôáí ÷ñçóßìåõå ùò âïçèçôéêü ôùí õðåñùêåáíßùí ôçò Hamburg Amerika Line.
Ná áíáöÝñïõìå ïôé ôï óêÜöïò åß÷å ôçí "äéÜêñéóç" ïôé äþèçêå äõï öüñåò ùò åðáíüñèùóç ðïëÝìïõ. Ìéá ôï 1919 üôáí áðïäþèçêå óôç Ãáëëßá (ãéá íá ôï îáíáãïñÜóåé ôï 1922 ç ãåñìáíéêÞ åôáéñßá) êáé ç äåýôåñç ôï 1946 üôáí äþèçêå óôçí ÅëëÜäá.

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