PDA

Forum : [Kehrwieder, Chalkidiki]



Nicholas Peppas
15-05-2009, 19:43
Chalkidiki was a small German ship, a tender for big ocean liner boats in Hamburg, given to Greece after World War II. See http://albert-ballin.ws24.cc/text_22429421_95219192_98184629_deutsch.html for a detailed presentation.

She was a HAPAG ship, a luxurious tender, built in 1901 in Geestemunde by Seebeck Werft (see http://werften.fischtown.de/archiv/ssw2.html) in Bremerhaven and named Kehrwieder. She had 52 m length, 9.1 m width and 560 tons!!!



IDNo: 5601485 Year: 1901
Name: KEHRWIEDER Launch Date:
Type: Tug Date of completion: 4.01
Flag: DEU Keel:
Tons: 560 Link: 2488
DWT: Yard No: 161
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: 52.1 Country of build: DEU
Beam: 9.1 Builder: Seebeck
Material of build: Location of yard: Geestemunde
Number of screws/Mchy/
Speed(kn): 1T-13
Owner as Completed: Hamburg-Amerika Linie (Hapag), Hamburg
End: 1946
Subsequent History: 46 CHALKIDIKI
Disposal Data: boiler explosion at Piraeus 12.12.46


But she had great capabilities for transport of passengers as well. A German Web site describes her success before World War II.



Für die Hapag, Hamburg, lief am 7.12.1900 der Frachter Kehrwieder bei Seebeck vom Stapel und wurde am 4.4.1901 an die Reederei abgeliefert. Das 560 BRT große Schiff war als kleines Lazarettschiff im II. Weltkrieg vorgesehen. Wegen der langen Umbaufristen sah man davon ab.
Im Juni 1900 hatte die alte Firma F.W. Wencke (http://werften.fischtown.de/archiv/wencke1.html) unter dem damaligen Besitzer Nicolaus Wencke Konkurs anmelden müssen. Seebeck erwarb den Platz mit Trockendock und Querhelling. Seebeck besaß nun fünf Docks.


She was ceded to Greece in 1946. She was taken over by the Greek Government and placed in the “Executive Committee of Passenger Shipping”. She was named Chalkidiki and started running longer trade routes… Here she is presented in an ad of the week of August 9, 1947. Her schedule was Piraeus, Patmos, Leros, Kalymnos, Kos, Nisyros, Symi, Rodos, Kastellorizo.

39403

Miramar indicates that Chalkidiki was disposed of as a result of a "boiler explosion at Piraeus on 12.12.46" but this cannot be correct as she was still doing voyages in 1947... Also A. Tzamtzis in his I Elliniki Epivatigos Nautilia, Miletos, Athens mentions (page 84) that Chalkidiki was stlli in service running domestic lines on January 1, 1949.

Does anyone know what happened to her?

NB: Those who are looking for German passenger and freight ships that "made it" past World War II will find this site very helpful http://parkbank.kilu.de/maritim/hansa/verbleib.htm

Ellinis
16-05-2009, 11:15
1951 ( ).
.

(http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=56836&postcount=1) . 1949 .

. .

39493

Nicholas Peppas
16-05-2009, 15:43
Να και το σχετικό άρθρο από εφημερίδα της εποχής. Στην πλώρη διακρίνεται ακόμη το γερμανικό του όνομα.
39493
This of course is a very welcome photograph and it shows the Kehrwieder when she had first arrived in Piraeus. Pictures of this ship while in Germany are hard to find. But seeing it I think of the Hertha (Heimara), the Wiedau and other ships that came to Greece at the end of their career...

Maybe I did not stress well enough that Kehrwieder served as a hospital ship during her War years. "Das 560 BRT große Schiff war als kleines Lazarettschiff im II. Weltkrieg vorgesehen. " This is important also for another reason. If you check the picture in Piraeus, the ship to her left which can be barely seen, is Peiraieus, which was already doing passenger service in 1946. This is the former Stamira and Freiburg, which became the well known Elli Togia and then Elsi! The importance of this picture is that both Kehrwieder (Chalkidiki) and Freiburg (Peiraieus) were hospital ships for the German navy! See Aris' statements from the Elsi side, below


Με την κατάρευση της Ιταλίας περιήλθε στους Γερμανούς που το μετονόμασαν FREIBURG για χρήση ως πλωτό νοσοκομείο.
Το 1947 περιήλθε στην Ελλάδα ως *ΕΙΡΑΙΕΥΣ και το 1948 το πήρε ο Ιωάννης Τόγιας που του *δωσε το όνομα ΕΛΣΗ.


From a German Website http://80.237.193.200:8000/article.php?url=/ha/1982/xml/19821129xml/habxml821012_7289.xml of the newspaper Hamburger Abendblatt of November 29, 1982, we learn some more facts about our ship.


Fast ein Vierteljahrhundert lang schipperte die "Prinzessin Heinrich" (919 BRT) zwischen Hamburg und dem Roten Felsen. 1920 gab sie die Hapag an den Seedienst Ostpreussen ab. Ein langes, wechselvolles Sctüffsleben hatte Dampfer "Kehrwieder". Seine "Personallen" lesen sich wie Seemannsgarn:
--- 1901 in Geestemünde gebaut,
--- bis 1914 im Helgoland-Dienst,
--- im Krieg Lazarettschiff der Marine,
--- 1919 als Reparation an Frankreich,
--- von 1920 bis 1938 wieder Kurs Helgoland,
--- nach dem Zweiten Weltkrieg von den Engländern beschlagnahmt.
--- Später fuhr das betagte Schiff als "Chalkidiki" unter griechischer Flagge in der Agäis.
--- 1946 ging der Veteran nach einer Kesselexplosion unter. {NB, NAP: nicht wahr}


So, our ship was in the Hamburg-Helgoland route from 1901-14, then a hospital ship during World War I, then in France as a reparation (for just 1919-20), then again in Helgoland and also during World War II she was also taken by the British.

One last warning. When searching for Kehrwieder facts, recognize teh existence of a second, more well known ship by the same name in the post-war years. She was known originally as the Bubendey and was built in 1913. See http://www.schiffe-maxim.de/bubendey.htm and http://www.feldgrau.com/hs-gluckauf.html

In the Greek site http://androspoets.homestead.com/cycladeships.html (http://androspoets.homestead.com/cycladeships.html) I. Simosis mentions the following :


Α/* «ΧΑΛΚΙΔΙΚΗ»
Ήταν το πρώτο πλοίο που θυμάμαι μετά απΆ τις κορβ*τες. Εχρησιμοποιείτο για τη μεταφορά επιβατών ενώ η κατασκευή του μαρτυρούσε ότι είχε ναυπηγηθεί για κάποια άλλη ειδική χρήση. Ήταν πολύ χαμηλό σκάφος, είχε δύο υψηλ*ς τσιμινι*ρες, τη μία κοντά στην άλλη. Το χρώμα του ήταν γκρι σκούρο (ίσως να ήταν και αυτό του στόλου). Δεν είχε υπερκατασκευάσματα για την υποδοχή πολλών επιβατών. Σύντομα απεσύρθει από τις γραμμ*ς.

Well we can say tha the memories are not exactly correct as this ship was not a corvette!

Here is now an announcement in the September 21, 1946 issue of Athens' Eleutheria stating the reception of four out of 39 German ships given to Greece after World War II as reparation. One of teh four mentioned is Kehrwieder or our Chalkidiki, listed as built in 1901 and having 600 tons.

39629


Το ΧΑΛΚΙΔΙΚΗ πουλήθηκε το 1951 σε κάποιον Δελούση με τη δυνατότητα να διαλυθεί (άλλα καράβια πουλήθηκαν τότε απο το δημόσιο με την υποχρ*ωση να συνεχήσουν να ταξιδεύουν).
Το αν πραγματικά διαλύθηκε δεν το γνωρίζω.
39493

Ari, I wonder if she was not sold in December 1948. Look at the announcement of the auction. It is interesting that we do not find any mention of Chalkidiki after that date... Was she simply idle?

By the way, the Cyclops mentioned will get her own thread soon. I wonder if the Niki is the same ship we saw in Argosaronikos in the very early 1950s.

39536
The article is from November11, 1948

Nicholas Peppas
24-08-2009, 05:30
Chalkidiki was a small German ship, a tender for big ocean liner boats in Hamburg, given to Greece after World War II. She was a HAPAG ship, a luxurious tender, built in 1901 in Geestemunde by Seebeck Werft (see http://werften.fischtown.de/archiv/ssw2.html) in Bremerhaven and named Kehrwieder. She had 52 m length, 9.1 m width and 560 tons!!!

Here is Kehrwieder in a rare and poor photograph which is probably after World War II

53604

Ellinis
24-08-2009, 09:32
, ...

Nicholas Peppas
24-08-2009, 13:09
, ...

.

Nicholas Peppas
19-10-2009, 04:26
Kehrwieder 1925. Kehrwieder . HAPAG ... ... .

61193

T Kehrwieder 1925.
61194


1951 ( ).
.

(http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=56836&postcount=1) . 1949 .


, Ellinis . !
61204

Nicholas Peppas
26-11-2010, 06:02
Kehrwieder

116839

116840

: E-bay

Nicholas Peppas
23-03-2011, 02:54
Kehrwieder .

127416

Nicholas Peppas
25-01-2013, 08:48
1952 , 1952-53 85.000 . . (26 ) . 61 (1895-1961), (1923-2004), (1914-2004) " ". 37 , ( ) 50 , 30 . ( 2004 29 ...).

. ( 1951). , ! .

135809

135811

. 3

Ellinis
26-01-2013, 12:10
. ""

135983
..

Nicholas Peppas
10-03-2013, 16:26
.................
. .
39493

9 1947. , .

140014

Ellinis
16-03-2013, 17:10
. . ..

140436

Nicholas Peppas
21-04-2013, 07:44
Kehrwieder .
142902

1940. .

12 4 1947.
142903142904

Nicholas Peppas
21-04-2013, 08:08
Kehrwieder .
142905

.
142906
Ebay

. 5 1947 .
142907

.
21 1947 .
142908

, 1 1947, .
142909

Nicholas Peppas
21-04-2013, 15:32
, 10 1948.
142931

, 19 1948 .
142932

Ilias 92
21-04-2013, 16:40
.

Nicholas Peppas
21-04-2013, 16:43
.


.. ( )

Nicholas Peppas
21-04-2013, 22:31
1952. . ... .
143000

1952-53 85.000 . (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQrMq5xnbM) (26 , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaqjA8B2BJs) . "" 61 (1895-1961), (1923-2004), (1928-2005) (1914-2004) " ".

, 34:15 35:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQrMq5xnbM
143001143002143003

. ... still . , (: ; ). ( ), ( ). , 23 28. "" , to 1970. Sir Lawrence Olivier Michael Caine Sleuth.

143004

Nicholas Peppas
21-12-2013, 22:28
Kehrwieder . , ..

151218151219

Ellinis
07-02-2014, 15:56
N .
1946 . KEHRWIEDER , "Alliiertenkontrollnummer" . . .

152277

07-02-2014, 16:53
. .


C .
152279
(http://www.fotw.net/flags/de1945.html#law) 1946 1946, .

Nicholas Peppas
26-01-2015, 00:42
Kehrwieder, .
www.ebay.de (http://www.ebay.de)

163751

19 1948
163752

17 1948
163753

Kehrwieder 30/10/1917 1919.

163754
http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Flemairesoft.sytes.net%3 A1944%2Fpictures%2F102055%2Fthumbnail%2F102055423. jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Flemairesoft.sytes.net%3A194 4%2Fpages%2Fpage.aspx%3Funivid%3D111919&h=150&w=238&tbnid=t7x7Nc5BbOpvIM%3A&zoom=1&docid=60kpXdvK94PvXM&ei=4XnFVOuvOYO5yQT3vYDQCQ&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=380&page=1&start=0&ndsp=53&ved=0CDcQrQMwBw

Ellinis
29-01-2015, 10:13
Hamburg Amerika 1927.
163820

tender . Hamburg-Amerika KEHRWIEDER tender 1960. ANNA MARIA LAURO, . (http://www.schiffe-maxim.de/bubendey.htm).

163819 (http://www.naviearmatori.net/eng/foto-95059-dHg9YW5uYSBtYXJpYSBsYXVybyZuYT0xJmltbz0wJmRjPTAmY2 w9MCZhcj0wJmNhPTAmc209MA==.html)
(http://www.naviearmatori.net/eng/foto-95059-dHg9YW5uYSBtYXJpYSBsYXVybyZuYT0xJmltbz0wJmRjPTAmY2 w9MCZhcj0wJmNhPTAmc209MA==.html)

15-03-2017, 21:32
' "

181604

http://www.greekshippingmiracle.org/el/special-sections/greek-pessenger/greek-coastal.html

Nicholas Peppas
03-06-2017, 05:26
16/7/1947

183321

Ellinis
21-03-2018, 16:30
Hamburg Amerika Line.
N "" . 1919 ( 1922 ) 1946 .

187411
187413
187412