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Nicholas Peppas

20-05-2009, 05:08

Royal Navy Ships (Corvettes, Frigates, Patrol boats, Minesweepers) as Early Post-War Passenger Ships in Greece

I am opening here a new thread to discuss briefly a large number of now forgotten. make-shift passenger ships that ... graced the Greek seas from 1945 to 1948 and provided travel opportunities when there was nothing better. Most of these ships have been forgotten (see schedules below) but some (Despoina, Cadio, Teti, etc) went on to become legendary and often beloved Greek passenger ships.

Greek Passenger Ship Losses During World War II

At the end of World War II, Greece found itself with a destroyed infrastructure both in railways and roads, in bridges and ships. Indeed in September 1944 only a fraction of the Greek passenger ships had remained still available and useful for passenger traffic

A. Tzamtzis (I Elliniki Epivatigos Nautilia, Miletus, Athens, 2002?) indicates that on August 31, 1939 there were 55 coastal passenger ship of 49,995 tons. Almost six years later, on March 31, 1945 there were just 3 ships (Corinthia, Elena, and Korytsa (Mary M)*** ) left of 6,320 tons. Lost during the war were:
Aetos, Aghios Georghios, Akropolis,
Alberta http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=60932,
Andros http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=58278,
Ardena http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=63545,
Athina S. http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=59859,
Athinai,
Attiki http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=64288,
Aulis http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=64571,
Aura (Mana) http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=64521,
Chios, Costas, Elli, Ellinis, Elsi,
Elvira http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=57224,
Esperos,
Frinton http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=59028,
Fokion http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=57270,
Hellas http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=61454,
Hydra http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=64521,
Ionia, Ithaki,
Kalydon http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=56371,
Kefallinia http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=54785,
Kerkyra http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=57436,
Kriti,
Leon http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=56952,
Leukas http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=64925,
Makedonia, Milos, Moschanthi (the first one), Nausica, Nikolaos L, Patris,
Petros http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=57229,
Pteroti http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=64521,
Pylaros http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=55565,
Samos http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=60339,
Sifnos, Sokratis,
Sofia http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=61052,
Soultana, http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=57229,
Tassos http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=23166,
Thraki, Zakynthos.

Post-World War II Needs in Coastal Shipping (Aktoploia)

Thus, immediately after World War II, the Greek shipowners and the Greek Government found itself in a major dilemma. How could they afford to start shipping connections in a country where mines were everywhere in the Aegaean and the Ionian and in the Evoikos, Maliakos and Korinthiakos gulfs?

The solution was given by the Greek Government that started purchasing old passenger ships from Germany and Italy. These ships had been either given to Greece as reparations or were obtained via Great Britain and the allies. Most of these ships were still serviceable but very old. Three good examples were:
the 1905 Heimara (former Hertha, http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=63535 ),
the 1901 Chalkidiki (former Kehrwieder http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65172) and
the 1889 Messaria (former Polhem http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=63535).
These ships were bought for use for about 5 or so years, until the Greek shipping enterprise was back on its feet. Some others were old British yachts or other ships that could be easily converted. Such were:
the 1898 Kalamara (former Cala Mara http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65272),
the 1904 Thessalia (former Beryl, later Glaros http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=58524) ,
the 1899 Lucinda (former Shemara http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=62168)
and many others.

But the most important source of new ships came from the British and American Governments in the former of surplus corvettes, frigates, patrol ships, mine sweepers and even landing vessels. These were not old vessels, but ships that have been built rather rapidly in 1939-42 for the needs of the World War II. Many of these were given to the Greek Government with a small recompense.

In his book with memories from his life as well as that of his father, Alexandros, Konstantinos Filippou, a noted naval architect (1930- ) describes very nicely these purchases (K. Filippou, Diadromi enos aiona, J&J Hellas, Piraeus, 2007)

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*** This third ship was added after an additional comment from Ellinis (see below)

Nicholas Peppas

20-05-2009, 05:22

Royal Navy Ships (Corvettes, Frigates, Patrol boats, Minesweepers) as Early Post-War Passenger Ships in Greece

One major class of ships that became “the pick” of the Greek Government were the well known Flower Class corvettes (see also http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Flower_class_corvette). The relatively small Flower corvettes were among the first warships to be declared surplus by Allied navies following the end of World War II. They had seen years of hard service in the North Atlantic and were made obsolete by the numerous large frigates, destroyers, and cruisers that entered service in the latter part of the war.

The Flower class corvettes (also referred to as the Gladiolus class) belonged to a class of 267 corvettes used during World War II, specifically with the Allied navies as anti-submarine convoy escorts during the Battle of the Atlantic. Several vessels saw service with the United States Navy where they were known as Action-class patrol gunboats.

The majority served during World War II with the Royal Navy and Royal Canadian Navy, with 32 being built for, or transferred to, other Allied navies such as the United States Navy, the Free French Naval Forces, the Royal Netherlands Navy, the Royal Norwegian Navy, the Royal Indian Navy, the Royal Hellenic Navy, the Royal New Zealand Navy and, immediately post-war, the South African Navy. These were typically operated according to their original design, as coastal patrol vessels, with many serving until the 1970s.

In addition, 110 surplus Flower ships were sold for commercial use. These saw various careers as passenger ships, mercantile freighters, weather ships, and even whalers (see below).

The rest were scrapped.

A nice example of such a vessel was the Vetch, better known in Greece as Patrai
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Going through widely available sources I have attempted to summarize some of these corvettes that were picked up by Greece. This is not an exhaustive list an you may find your favorite ship missing. Here is the list of the Greek ships (of all types) that came from the Royal Navy Flower class. Note that four of these ships (Tombazis, Kriezis, Apostolis and Sakhtouris) were used only by the Greek Navy and were never offered as “passenger ships”.

Royal Navy Flower ships in Greek hands
(Partial list). Main source: http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/corvettesr2z.htm

HMS Vetch (K132)
Became the merchant ship Patrai (see http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65264) in 1948, renamed Olympic Hunter in 1951, and then called Otori Maru No.18 in 1956

HMS Spiraea (K08 )
Became the merchant ship Thessaloniki (see http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65163) in 1948.

HMS Tamarisk (Ex Ettrick) (K216)
Served with the Greek Navy as Tompazis in 1943. She was sold for scrapping in the UK on March 20, 1952.

HMS Tulip (K29)
Became the merchant ship Olympic Conqueror in 1950, then Otori Maru No.8 in 1956 and then Thorlyn in 1957.

HMS Coltisfoot (K140)
Became merchant ship Alexandra in 1947, changing name to Hermopoulis in 1953. She was lost on November 20, 1954.

HMS Coreopsis (K32)
Served with the Greek Navy as Kriezis from 1943-52 (see also below). She was scrapped on July 22, 1952 at Sunderland.

HMS Hyacinth (K84)
Served with the Greek Navy as Apostolis in 1943.

HMS Jonquil (K68 )
Became the merchant ship Lemnos in 1948. Her name was changed to Olympic Rider in 1951 and was lost on December 1, 1955.

HMS Mignonette (K38 )
Served as the merchant ship Alexandroupolis (see http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65162) in 1948 but was lost on November 30, 1948.

HMS Peony (K40)
Served with the Greek Navy as Sakhtouris in 1943 and was scrapped on April 21, 1952 at Dunston.

HMS Pentstemon (K61)
Served as the merchant ship Galaxidi in 1947, changed name to Rosa Vlassi in 1951.

And here are some of the Canadian ones.

HMCS Brantford (K218 )
Sold in 1950 as mercantile Olympic Arrow.

HMCS Ville de Quebec (K242)
Sold in 1946 as the mercantile Despoina. Resold in 1947 as the mercantile Dorothea Paxos, in 1948 as Tanya, and in 1949 as Medex.

HMS Alisma (K185)
Sold in 1947. Resold in 1949 as the mercantile Laconia, in 1950 as mercantile Constantinos S, and in 1952 as mercantile Parnon. Sunk July 16, 1954.

HMS Bergamot (K189)
Sold in May 1946 as a passenger ship. Resold in 1947 as the Syros, in 1951 as the Delphini and in 1955 as the Ekaterini (see http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65109).
An unrecognizable Ekaterini upon her arrival to Greece as Bergamot
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HMS Trillium (K172)
Sold in 1950 as Olympic Runner. Resold in 1956 as Otori Maru 10, then in 1959 as Kyo Maru No. 16.

HMS Kilmore
Sold in 1947 as the ship Despoina and then Evangelistria (see http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=22679)

HMCS Owen Sound (K340)
Sold in 1945 to Greece as the Cadio (see http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=62462).

HMCS St. Lambert (K343)
Sold in 1946 to Panama as Chrysi Hondroulis. Resold in 1955 to Greece as Loula.

The story of Kriezis: At war and in movies
Source: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/The_Cruel_Sea_%28film%29

Allied navies disposed of their Flowers so quickly following the war, the Royal Navy could not supply a single vessel to play Compass Rose in the 1953 film production of Nicholas Monsarrat's novel The Cruel Sea. The Cruel Sea is a novel by Nicholas Monsarrat. It follows the lives of a group of Royal Navy sailors fighting the Battle of the Atlantic during World War II. So, the Royal Hellenic Navy supplied Kriezis for the role prior to her scrapping.

An interesting note: Flower Class Whalers

Some may have noted that some of these ships were transformed later onto whalers! A classical example is the Vetch which became the Greek Patrai (see http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65264) before Aristotle Onassis bought her back and transformed her into a whaler! Why? The design of the Flower-class was inspired by whale catcher Southern Pride, constructed by the Smiths Dock Company Smiths Dock Company of Middlesbrough. The class was intended to be a "stop-gap" measure for the Allied navies in their battle against Kriegsmarine U-boats. They were intended as small convoy escort ships that could be produced quickly and cheaply in large numbers. Despite naval planners intentions that they be deployed for coastal convoys, their long range meant that they became the mainstay of Mid-Ocean Escort Force convoy protection during the first half of the war.

The Flower class became an essential resource for North Atlantic convoy protection until larger vessels such as destroyers and frigates could be produced in sufficient quantities. The simple design of the Flower class using parts and techniques common to merchant shipping meant they could be constructed in small commercial shipyards all over the United Kingdom and eastern Canada, where larger (or more sophisticated) warships could not otherwise be built. Additionally, the use of commercial machinery meant the largely Royal Naval Reserve, and Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve crews to man them would be familiar with their operation.

Flower-class vessels were relatively slow for a warship with maximum speed of 14 knots. They were also very lightly armed as they were intended solely for anti-submarine warfare; many of the Royal Canadian Navy's original Flower-class ships were initially fitted with minesweeping equipment, while virtually all of the modified Flower's were fitted with a limited anti-aircraft capability.

The original Flowers had the standard Royal navy layout, consisting of a raised forecastle, a well deck, then the bridge or wheelhouse, and a continuous deck running aft. The modified Flowers saw the forecastle extended aft past the bridge to the aft end of the funnel, a variation known as the "long forecastle" design. Apart from providing a very useful space where the whole crew could gather out of the weather, the added weight improved the ships' stability and speed and was retrospectively applied to a number of the original Flower-class vessels during the mid and latter years of the war.

The original Flowers had a mast located immediately forward the bridge, a notable exception to naval practice at that time. The modified Flowers saw the mast returned to the normal position immediately aft of the bridge, however this does not seem to have been done in all of the modified builds or conversions of the original vessels.

A cruiser stern finished the appearance for all vessels in the class.

Source: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Flower_class_corvette

Nicholas Peppas

20-05-2009, 05:32

Passenger Ship Schedules of Converted Corvettes, Frigates, Patrol Boats and Minesweepers as Early Post-War Passenger Ships in Greece

And now enjoy some of the schedules of these heroic "passenger ships". Many names will surprise you, ship you have never heard before, ships thatw ill be presented one by one in these pages: Patrai, Thesssaloniki, Kyklops, Adrianos, Alexandroupolis, Stephanos, Thasos, Lemnos, Karpathos, Kos, and so many others, but also some that you would recognize and admire later as Peiraieus (later Elsi).

Left: October 12, 1946 ---- Center: October 19, 1946 ---- Right: November 23, 1946
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Nicholas Peppas

20-05-2009, 05:35

Passenger Ship Schedules of Converted Corvettes, Frigates, Patrol Boats and Minesweepers as Early Post-War Passenger Ships in Greece

Left: December 3, 1946 ---- Center: December 7, 1946 ---- Right: December 28, 1946
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Nicholas Peppas

20-05-2009, 05:47

Passenger Ship Schedules of Converted Corvettes, Frigates, Patrol Boats and Minesweepers as Early Post-War Passenger Ships in Greece

Left: January 4, 1947 ---- Right: January 18, 1947
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And now notice what happened to coastal shipping immediately after the tragedy of Heimara

Left: January 25, 1947 ---- Right: February 15, 1947 ---- Right: March 8, 1947
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Nicholas Peppas

20-05-2009, 05:50

Passenger Ship Schedules of Converted Corvettes, Frigates, Patrol Boats and Minesweepers as Early Post-War Passenger Ships in Greece

A few more schedules
Left: April 26, 1947 ---- Right: May 10, 1947 ---- Right: May 16, 1947
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Left: May 24, 1947 ---- Right: Another May 24, 1947 ad
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Nicholas Peppas

20-05-2009, 06:02

Converted Corvettes, Frigates, Patrol Boats and Minesweepers as Early Post-War Passenger Ships in Greece: Various announcements

Left: August 9, 1947 ---- Right: An auction of March 13, 1948 ---- Right: An auction of November 28, 1948
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Left: Cleaning the Corinth Canal on December 3, 1948 ---- Right: By December 3, 1948 most of these "corvettes" are either gone to private hands (with new names) or simply retired and resold
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Ellinis

20-05-2009, 16:43

A. Tzamtzis (I Elliniki Epivatigos Nautilia, Miletus, Athens, 2002?) indicates that on August 31, 1939 there were 55 coastal passenger ship of 49,995 tons. Almost six years later, on March 31, 1945 there were just 3 ships (Corinthia, Elena, and ?) left of 6,320 tons.

Το τρίτο ήταν το ΚΟΡΥΤΣΑ (πρώην ΜΑΙΡΗ Μ.), ταξίδεψε για λίγο μεταπολεμικά μιας και το κατέστρεψε πυρκαγιά κατά την παράδωση του στην Ελ.Μες και πήγε για σκραπ.

Nicholas Peppas

20-05-2009, 16:48

Thanks. Great! Mary M was Manouelides' ship and we must start a thread soon

Ellinis

20-05-2009, 17:53

HMS Kilmore
Sold in 1947 as the ship Despoina and then Evangelistria (see http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=22679)

Μόνη διόρθωση το ΔΕΣΠΟΙΝΑ που δεν ήταν κορβέτα τύπου flower, αλλά ανθυποβρυχιακό περιπολικό (PCE), σαν το ΑΓ.ΓΕΡΑΣΙΜΟΣ (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=127617&postcount=2).

επίσης να προσθέσω το ΧΑΝΙΑ (ex-Nasturtium, La Paimpolaise), που ταξίδεψε ως ακτοπλοϊκό και αργότερα εντάχθηκε στο Π.Ν. ως ΛΥΚΟΥΔΗΣ. Παροπλίστηκε γύρω στο 1973 μετά από μια καριέρα ως ανεφοδιαστηκό φάρων.

Nicholas Peppas

20-05-2009, 18:09

Thanks. Please check again Chania and check one of the cut-outs from a newspaper that I have posted above... As you will note, she was no sold at that time...

Ellinis

20-05-2009, 22:46

Nicholas Peppas

20-05-2009, 22:50

Great new information! I have data for Eu0alia and Maid of Athens. I do not know the others... Maid of Athens has a strange story

Nicholas Peppas

20-05-2009, 23:15

Το MAID OF ATHENS δεν ξέρω σε τι μετασκευάστηκε. Πάντως το 1947 πουλήθηκε σε Ινδούς που το πήγαν για σκραπ το 1965.
Here is your MAID OF ATHENS

Originally Sherborne Castle, then Petrolia (K 498, I believe), then Maid of Athens in 1946, then Bharat Laxmi in 1947 (of Bombai, India). She was scrapped in 1965!

Maid of Athens was bought by Embiricos who gave her this name because he was enamoured with Lord Byron. But the ship was too expensive to convert, so she was resold to India. never really traveled in Greek waters.

Here are my photos (all from the Web about 3 years ago), pobably all when she was Petrolia.

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This one is from the same area but looks a bit nicer
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BTW, in Greek Waters on June 8, 1946

Nicholas Peppas

20-05-2009, 23:33

Τρείς ακόμη κορβέτες που ήρθαν εκείνα τα χρονια ηταν η ΕΥΘΑΛΕΙΑ (πρωην HMCS Baddeck), η MAID OF ATHENS (ex-HMCS Petrolia) και η ΜΑΝΤΟΝΑ. Για την ΕΥΘΑΛΕΙΑ ο Τζαμτζής αναφέρει πως χρησίμευσε ως ακτοπλοϊκό. Είχε αγοραστεί το 12/45 και ιδιοκτήτης εικάζαν πως ήταν ο Μαρής (ο ίδιος που είχε ποσοστό στο ΜΑΡΗ -μετέπειτα ΚΩΣΤΑΚΗΣ ΤΟΓΙΑΣ).
Το ΕΥΘΑΛΕΙΑ πουλήθηκε το 1947 σε ¶ραβες και ναυάγησε το 1966.

I am not opening up a new thread for Euthalia as I have no Greek verification she did passenger trade. Of course, you can if you want.
Here she is, a great looking ship
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And here is her story as written by others.

HMCS Baddeck (K 147)

NavyThe Royal Canadian Navy (http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/listing.html?navy=HMCS)TypeCorvette (http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/types.html?type=Corvette)ClassFlower (http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/class.html?ID=42) PennantK 147 Built byDavie Shipbuilding and Repairing Co. Ltd. (Lauzon, Quebec, Canada) Ordered22 Jan 1940 Laid down14 Aug 1940 Launched20 Nov 1940 Commissioned18 May 1941 End service4 Jul 1945 Loss position
HistoryFo'c's'le extendtion at Liverpool (Nova Scotia, Canada) completed on 15 november 1943.
Decommissioned 4 July 1945.
Became the merchantile Efthai in 1947 and then Yusuf Z. Alireza in 1948.
Lost ashore near Jedda on 11 March 1966.

Yes, the Euthalia became Efthai!!!
Source: http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/802.html

Also if you are interested in this type of thing, here are some of her achievements during World War II. http://www.junobeach.org/e/2/can-eve-mob-atl-e.htm#null

Ellinis

21-05-2009, 18:05

Maid of Athens was bought by Embiricos who gave her this name because he was enamoured with Lord Byron. But the ship was too expensive to convert, so she was resold to India. never really traveled in Greek waters.

Γνωρίζεις ποιός ήταν ο ρόλος για τον οποίο θα το μετασκεύαζε ο Εμπειρίκος;

Να θυμήσω πως εδώ (https://forum.nautilia.gr/showpost.php?p=185442&postcount=357)ο Leonardos B. είχε ανεβάσει μια φωτο όπου στο βάθος φαίνονται 2 από τις κρατικές ακτοπλοϊκές κορβέτες.

Nicholas Peppas

21-05-2009, 21:48

Leonardos' photo is exceptional. Finally, first time we see these ships in Greece.. As for the Embiricos question, my book does not say why.

Ellinis

23-05-2009, 15:44

Στα πρώτα μεταπολεμικά χρόνια τοποθετήται η παρακάτω φωτογραφία που δείχνει σε πρώτο πλάνο την "κρατική κορβέτα" ΛΗΜΝΟΣ.
Αριστερά του πρέπει να είναι το ΜΟΣΧΑΝΘΗ και ακόμη πιο κει άλλη μια Flower σε χρέη ακτοπλοϊκού.
Φαίνεται και οτι ουσιαστικά δεν ύπηρξε μετασκευή σε επιβατηγά, πέρα από κάποιους μουσαμάδες πρύμα, την αφαίρεση του οπλισμού και τα σινιάλα της Δ/νσης Θαλασσίων Μεταφορών στην τσιμινιέρα.

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πηγη: Αργώ

Ellinis

24-05-2009, 09:08

Nicholas Peppas

25-05-2009, 05:25

In the Greek site http://androspoets.homestead.com/cycladeships.html I. Simosis mentions the following about the corvettes

Τα πρώτα πλοία που χρησιμοποιήθηκαν μετά την απελευθέρωση στις γραμμές των Κυκλάδων ήταν πλοία του πολεμικού μας στόλου. Από τα πλοία του στόλου κυρίως χρησιμοποιήθηκαν οι κορβέτες, πλοία Καναδικής κατασκευής, ατμοκίνητα, μεγάλης αντοχής στη θάλασσα. Νομίζω ότι ήταν ο «Σαχτούρης», «Τομπάζης», και «Κριεζής».

Ellinis

30-05-2009, 20:10

Από τα "Ναυτικά Χρονικά" του 1946 (μάλλον) προέρχεται το παρακάτω άρθρακι

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Nicholas Peppas

30-05-2009, 22:24

Από τα "Ναυτικά Χρονικά" του 1946 (μάλλον) προέρχεται το παρακάτω άρθρακι

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Thank you very much... And a wide deck for promenade, eh?

Ellinis

10-06-2009, 17:53

Kαι αφού έκανε το χρέος της στην ακτοπλοϊα η ΛΗΜΝΟΣ (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=66332)(μαζί και η ΠΑΤΡΑΙ (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65264)) πουλήθηκαν στον Ωνάσση που τα μετέτρεψε για το ρόλο που είχαν αρχικά σχεδιαστεί, δηλαδή σε φαλαινοθηρικά.

Κάπως offtopic αλλά μιας και το αναφέραμε, να δούμε και μια φωτο ενός ελληνόκτητου φαλαινοθηρικού! Το OLYMPIC CONQUEROR με τα σινιάλα της Olympic Whaling του Ωνάση:

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πηγή: www.lardex.net (http://www.lardex.net/)

Ο Ωνάσης ήταν ο μόνος Έλληνας που μπήκε στο club των φαλαινοθήρων, μέσω μιας Αμερικάνικης εταιρείας του.
Τα πλοία -μια δωδεκαριά- ήταν μετασκευασμένες κορβέτες flower, οι οποίες είχαν έτσι και αλλιώς βασιστεί σε προπολεμικά σχέδια φαλαινοθηρικών.
Για πληρώματα είχε διαλέξει γερμανούς (κυρίως παλαίμαχους της kriegsmarine και νορβηγούς), οπότε δεν πρέπει να ταξίδεψαν Έλληνες σε αυτά. Αν θυμάμαι καλά είχαν σημαία Ονδούρας.

Nicholas Peppas

12-06-2009, 20:00

Κάπως offtopic αλλά μιας και το αναφέραμε, να δούμε και μια φωτο ενός ελληνόκτητου φαλαινοθηρικού! (http://www.lardex.net/)
Ο Ωνάσης ήταν ο μόνος Έλληνας που μπήκε στο club των φαλαινοθήρων, μέσω μιας Αμερικάνικης εταιρείας του.
Τα πλοία -μια δωδεκαριά- ήταν μετασκευασμένες κορβέτες flower, οι οποίες είχαν έτσι και αλλιώς βασιστεί σε προπολεμικά σχέδια φαλαινοθηρικών.
Για πληρώματα είχε διαλέξει γερμανούς (κυρίως παλαίμαχους της kriegsmarine και νορβηγούς), οπότε δεν πρέπει να ταξίδεψαν Έλληνες σε αυτά. Αν θυμάμαι καλά είχαν σημαία Ονδούρας.
Ellinis, only because you mentioned it here and only because you seem to be interested in whaler ships, I upload her an article from yesterday's Figaro which discusses the disgraceful way the Soviet Union was killing whales from 1947 to 1973 using these two ships... Sovestskaya Ukraina and Sovetskaya Rossiya

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Nicholas Peppas

13-06-2009, 15:47

Over the past few months, several of us have uploaded photos and articles about very early post-war passenger ships that came from corvettes or old ship given to us in reparation...

We have the "schedules" of those days to remind us of these heroic ships...

October 12 and December 7, 1946; April 12, April 26, and May 3, 1947
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May 10, May 24 and August 9, 1947
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I would like to summarize what we know about these ships:
NB: Please do not rush to tell me I forgot a few... I mention here only those that appeared in official government schedules)

1. SHIPS IDENTIFIED IN NAUTILIA.GR

Aghios Nikolaos: http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=67369 and http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=215036&postcount=4
Alexandroupolis: Previously the corvette Mignonette (K38 ) http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65162
Chalkidiki: German reparation, the former Kehrwieder of 1901 http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65172
Chania: The 1940 frigate Nasturtium http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65817
Eleni: one of three ships that survived World War II, a 1903 Belgian ship built or the Russians. http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=38071
Esperos: A motorship http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=67369 and http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=215039&postcount=5
Heimarra: German reparation, the former Hertha of 1905 http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=63535
Herakleion: The 1925 German ship Wiedau, given as a reparation http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65989
Kalamara: the former yacht Cala Mara of 1898 that continued providing a good service until the late 1950s http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65272
Kavalla: A motorship http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=67369 and http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=215031&postcount=3
Korytsa: Better known as May M (of Manuelides Line) she is one of three ships that survived World War II
Kos: The 1921 German Wartburg given also as a reparation http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65973
Lemnos: A classic corvette http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=66332 and http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=209271&postcount=19
Lucinda: the former British yacht Shemara of 1899 that had a short history in the Western Greece and Amvrakikos routes until the early 1950s http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=62168)
Messaria: the former Swedish passenger ship Polhem of 1889 http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65232 (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=63535)
Patrai; This was the corvette Vetch (K132) http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65264)
Peiraieus: This is the 1929 Italian Stamira given to us as a reparation. Eventually she became Elsi and Elli Togias with a great history in the Greek seas http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=46390
Rodos: An old British yacht of 1888 http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=67941
Sperheios: the 1912 minesweeper Noble Nora http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65609
Stephanos: The 1918 frigate Kilburn http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=67298
Syros: Originally the corvette Bergamot (K189) she became Syros. This is a well known vessel as she became Delphini in 1951 and Ekaterini in 1955 http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65109
Thessalia: A 1904 British yacht, the former Beryl that became later later Glaros with significant history in the Greek seas http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=58524)
Thessaloniki: This as the corvette Spiraea (K08 ) http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65163)
Velos: A motorship!http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=67369 and http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=215030&postcount=2
Volos: The 1923 German passenger ship Gisela L.-M. Russ given as a reparation http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=65977

2. SHIPS WHOSE HISTORY NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED

I have been unable to identify these ships. I need help

Aghia Varvara
Aghios Dimitrios
Adrianos
Aulon
Doxa
Eleutheria
Irene
Karpathos
Kyklops
Leros
Skyros
Thassos

Nicholas Peppas

09-07-2010, 17:33

Τεσσερα πλοια στην δημοπρασια 1 Ιανουαριου 1948

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Nicholas Peppas

23-04-2011, 21:38

Αρθρο της 13ης Οκτωβριου 1945 για τις κορβεττες που θα χρησιμοπιηθουν στην Ελλαδα

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Ellinis

07-05-2013, 17:06

Για τη ΜΑΝΤΟΝΑ (αγνωστου προελεύσεως) αναφέρεται πως είχε μετασκευαστεί σε ψυγείο και πως το 1949 πουλήθηκε σε Δανούς.
Mε αφορμή το παρακάτω αρθράκι που αναφέρεται στην πώληση ελληνόκτητων πλοίων κατά το 1949, να αναφέρω οτι το ΜΑΝΤΟΝΑ ήταν η πρώην κορβέτα τύπου Flower HIBISCUS. Υπό ελληνική ιδιοκτησία ανήκε στην Cia Panamena Monagre S.A. του Γ.Χαδούλη (ιδιοκτήτη και του ΠΑΤΡΙΣ, δηλ. του μετέπειτα ΚΩΣΤΑΚΗΣ ΤΟΓΙΑΣ). Το πούλησε το 1949 στη Δανέζικη Borealis Transportation A/S για να το πουλήσει το 1953 σε Άγγλους του Yarmouth, πιθανότατα για χρήση ως αλιευτικό ή πλοίο υποστήριξης αλιείας. To 1954 πουλήθηκε στην Tasman S.S. Co. αλλά μάλλον λόγω της χρεωκοπίας της το πλοίο διαλύθηκε το 1955 στο Χονγκ Κονγκ.

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Στο αρθράκι αναφέρονται επίσης η πρώην κορβέτα MEDEX (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?111831-Δωροθέα-Παξός-Ville-de-Quebec-Despina-Dorothea-Paxos-Tanya-Medex&highlight=medex), η πρώην φρεγάτα TETH (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?62749-Αδριατική-Adriatiki-Teti-HMS-Lossie&highlight=teti), η πρώην ακτοφυλακίδα ΤΑΜΡΑ (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?298-πολεμικά-gt-ferry&p=475282#post475282)και άλλα επιβατηγά.

Ellinis

08-03-2014, 14:49

Για την καναδέζικη κορβέτα BADDECK που έγινε το ελληνικό ΕΥΘΑΛΕΙΑ έχουμε γράψει τα παρακάτω:

Για την ΕΥΘΑΛΕΙΑ ο Τζαμτζής αναφέρει πως χρησίμευσε ως ακτοπλοϊκό. Είχε αγοραστεί το 12/45 και ιδιοκτήτης εικάζαν πως ήταν ο Μαρής (ο ίδιος που είχε ποσοστό στο ΜΑΡΗ -μετέπειτα ΚΩΣΤΑΚΗΣ ΤΟΓΙΑΣ).
Το ΕΥΘΑΛΕΙΑ πουλήθηκε το 1947 σε ¶ραβες και ναυάγησε το 1966.

I am not opening up a new thread for Euthalia as I have no Greek verification she did passenger trade. Of course, you can if you want.
Here she is, a great looking ship
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And here is her story as written by others.

Yes, the Euthalia became Efthai!!!
Source: http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/802.html

Also if you are interested in this type of thing, here are some of her achievements during World War II. http://www.junobeach.org/e/2/can-eve-mob-atl-e.htm#null

Aς δούμε μια φωτογραφία του πλοίου με τα σινιάλα του Μαρή που το είχε αγοράσει το Δεκέμβριο του 1945.

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πηγή (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16118167@N04/5378476786/in/photostream/)

και μια ανακοίνωση με δρομολόγια του τον 4/47:
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Το Δεκέμβριο του 1947 πουλήθηκε σε Σαουδάραβες και μετονομάστηκε YUSUF Z. ALIREZA και το 1954 AL MANSOUR. To 1955 περιήλθε στη Σαουδαραβική Ακτοφυλακή με το όνομα RADWA αλλά το το 1965 το πήραν πίσω Έλληνες (Σταματίου & Παπαδέλης) ως EVI. Πάντως στις 11 Μαρτίου 1966 προσάραξε βόρεια της Τζέντα και κατόπιν διαλύθηκε.

Ellinis

14-10-2017, 20:12

Mε αφορμή το παρακάτω αρθράκι που αναφέρεται στην πώληση ελληνόκτητων πλοίων κατά το 1949, να αναφέρω οτι το ΜΑΝΤΟΝΑ ήταν η πρώην κορβέτα τύπου Flower HIBISCUS. Υπό ελληνική ιδιοκτησία ανήκε στην Cia Panamena Monagre S.A. του Γ.Χαδούλη (ιδιοκτήτη και του ΠΑΤΡΙΣ, δηλ. του μετέπειτα ΚΩΣΤΑΚΗΣ ΤΟΓΙΑΣ). Το πούλησε το 1949 στη Δανέζικη Borealis Transportation A/S για να το πουλήσει το 1953 σε Άγγλους του Yarmouth, πιθανότατα για χρήση ως αλιευτικό ή πλοίο υποστήριξης αλιείας. To 1954 πουλήθηκε στην Tasman S.S. Co. αλλά μάλλον λόγω της χρεωκοπίας της το πλοίο διαλύθηκε το 1955 στο Χονγκ Κονγκ.

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Αν και αυτή η κορβέτα μετασκευάστηκε σε φορτηγο ψυγείο και όχι επιβατηγό, την έχουμε συζητήσει αρκετά. Οπότε να δούμε και δυο φωτογραφίες της στα ναυπηγεία Holland-Nautic όπου μετασκευάστηκε το 1948/49 για λογαριασμό της παναμαδέζικης εταιρίας του Χαδούλη για να μεταφερει φρούτα και λαχανικά.
Η μετασκευή ήταν αρκετά μοντέρνα για την εποχή και τότε γράφτηκε οτι και το εσωτερικό του πλοίου ήταν πολυτελές, με ηλεκτρικό τζάκι στο σαλόνι των αξιωματικών κλπ.
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πηγή (https://www.europeana.eu/portal/nl)

Σύντομα πουλήθηκε σε Δανούς και έτσι το βλέπουμε παρακάτω από τη συλλογή του Ναυτικού Μουσείο της Δανίας.
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Ellinis

19-02-2018, 11:38

Το ΓΑΛΑΞΕΙΔΙ (πρώην κορβέτα PENTSTEMON) παραλήφθηκε το 1947 για να ενισχύσει τις ακτοπλοϊκές μεταφορές αλλά το 1948 ήταν ήδη προς πώληση. Τον Ιούνιο του 1949 το απέκτησαν οι αδελφοί Βλάσση από το Λαύριο και το μετέτρεψαν σε φορτηγό πλοίο δίνοντας του το όνομα ΡΟΖΑ ΒΛΑΣΣΗ.

To 1960 το πλοίο πουλήθηκε στον Κ. Διαμαντή, γνωστό για την εταιρία αλιείας Atlantic Fishing Co που είχε, και μετονομάστηκε σε ΑΘΗΝΑ. Το σκάφος μετασκευάστηκε σε αλιευτικό 814 κ.ο.χ. και του τοποθετήθηκε νέα μηχανή ντήζελ. Όσο για τους αδελφούς Βλάσση, το αντικατέστησαν με αυτό (https://forum.nautilia.gr/showthread.php?85030-%D4%EF-%ED%E1%F5%DC%E3%E9%EF-%F4%EF%F5-%D1%FC%E6%E1-%C2%EB%DC%F3%E7-24-%C4%E5%EA%E5%EC%E2%F1%DF%EF%F5-1959-The-wreck-of-Roza-Vlassi-24-12-1959)το φορτηγό πλοίο που επίσης πήρε το όνομα ΡΟΖΑ ΒΛΑΣΣΗ αλλά που δεν έμελε να μακροημερεύσει.
Την 31η Ιουλίου 1967 το ΑΘΗΝΑ επέστρεφε από τον Ινδικό Ωκεανό στην Ελλάδα, έμφορτο με 200 τ. τόνων. Λόγω του οτι το Σουέζ ήταν κλειστό λόγω των εχθροπραξιών το σκάφος θα έκανε τον περίπλου της Αφρικής. Όμως ανοιχτά του κόλπου Plettenberg της Νοτίου Αφρικής, προσέκρουσε σε ύφαλο με αποτέλεσμα να παρουσιατεί διαροή. Ο Πλοίαρχος κατόρθωσε να το προσαράξει στα αβαθή (όπως το βλέπουμε παρακάτω) και το πλήρωμα διεκπεραιώθηκε στη στεριά με ασφάλεια.

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πηγή (http://travelbucket.co.za/athina-shipwreck-robberg/)

Όμως το σκάφος εγκαταλείφθηκε και το φορτίο το έφαγαν τα σκυλόψαρα. Ότι απομένει από το ναυάγιο είναι σήμερα ένα αξιοθέατο στο βυθό.

Ellinis

17-07-2019, 19:25

Μια φωτογραφία που δημοσιεύτηκε στο fb και δείχνει ένα πλοίο στον Πειραιά τελικά προέκυψε πως είναι μια από τις κρατικές κορβέτες που ταξίδεψαν ως ακτοπλοϊκά τα πρώτα μεταπολεμικά χρόνια. Η φωτογραφία έχει όμορφες λεπτομέρειες όπως τους λεμβούχους που έχουν πλευρίσει με τις βάρκες γεμάτες με μεγάλα μπαούλα, ένα κρεβάτι κλπ
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Το τμήμα του σκάφους που βλέπουμε είναι αυτό που έχω σημειώσει στο κόκκινο τετράγωνο παρακάτω.
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Ellinis

13-04-2023, 16:09

Λεπτομέρεια από μια φωτογραφία του Πειραιά στα πρώτα μεταπολεμικά χρόνια όπου δεξιά βλέπουμε και μια κορβέτα από αυτές που χρησιμοποιήθηκαν στην ακτοπλοΐα και σε πρώτο πλάνο ένα ατμοκίνητο ρυμουλκό του Μάτσα.

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