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Επιστροφή στο Forum : Eλευσίς [Tasso, Eleusis, Photios]



Nicholas Peppas
06-06-2009, 17:55
Eleusis was one of the prettiest Greek ships of the pre-1930 era, yet also one of the little known ones.... Like other Greek passenger ships of later times she was built for the Norwegian trade (like Ionion, Aegeus, Rena, etc). When she was bought by Morphy & Crowe for Greek service, this was a major event! But she had a rather short 5-year service in Greece due to the wars, and some technical problems arising from a 1911 accident (see below)... She was scuttled in only her 30th year...

Here she is in 1910 (as Tasso), just three years before she came in Greece. {Ok, ok, the painter exaggerated a bit!}

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Eleusis was built in May 1890 as the cargo and passenger ship Tasso by Earle's shipyard in Hull, central east England... She had 1,388 tons, a lengthof 76.2 m and a width of almost 10 m. Her service speed was 12.5 knots. She belonged to Th.Wilson, Sons & Co Ltd, Hull, England. Her name was not related to any Greek Tasso but to the poet Torquato Tasso.

Here is her Miramar entry.



IDNo: 1095829 Year: 1890
Name: TASSO Launch Date: 24.2.90
Type: Passenger/cargo Date of completion: 5.90
Flag: GBR Keel:
Tons: 1388 Link: 1628
DWT: Yard No: 331
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: 76.2 Country of build: GBR
Beam: 9.8 Builder: Earle's
Material of build: Location of yard: Hull
Number of screws/Mchy/ Speed(kn): 1T-12.5
Owner as Completed: Thos.Wilson, Sons & Co Ltd, Hull
Naval or paramilitary marking :
A: *
End: 1920
Subsequent History: 14 ELEFSIS - 19 PHOTIOS
Disposal Data: foundered 42.54N/9.45E 25.12.20 (possibly scuttled)


From 1891 to 1899 she was used mostly as a cargo ship with about 150 passengers. During that period she was going mostly from Trondheim to Christiansund, Aalesund and then Hull, England, thus providing a much needed connection between Western Norway and Central/Northern England, always for the Wilson Line. In 1896 she started adding stops in Bergen and Stavanger. This is how she looked in those days

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In 1899, Tasso went back to Hull and was equipped with new boilers. two years later, in 1901, she was lengthened and her superstructure was improved. The longer vessel was now 270ft, had 1,467 gross tons and an accommodation for 44-1st class passengers. The new ship looked like this.

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As such she continued doing the trade between Trondheim and Christiansund, Aalesund, Bergen, Stavanger and Hull often with emigrants to the USA and Canada.

For reasons I do not know, her terminal port changed to the smaller city of Grimsby in 1909. But it is safe to say that for 18 years she was a very dependable ship of Wilson Line in a very, very rough route.

Source: Information complied from various Norwegian sources including http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=tassp

Here is Tasso after she was lengthened as seen in Christiansund, Norway.

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http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=tassp says:


The Wilson line did not only offer conveyance of emigrants from Scandinavian countries to England. During the passenger season they also offered accommodation for the comfort of tourists, and arranged holiday tours to different parts of Norway and Sweden. The accommodation was strictly first class in saloons and stateroom amidships, much different from that was offered to the comfort of emigrants traveling steerage (3rd class).

And then the site gives the appropriate plans...

Some information about Wilson Line is provided in http://oceania.pbworks.com/UK_Ellermans+Wilson+Line



Wilson Line / Beckinton, Wilson & Company / Wilson, Hudson & Company / Thomas Wilson, Sons & Company

Founded in 1822 in Hull as Beckinton, Wilson & Co to import iron ore from Sweden with a fleet of sailing ships. In 1835 irregular sailing ship passenger services were introduced between Hull, Hamburg and Rotterdam, and a steamship service between Hull and Dunkirk was started the same year.

After the death of Beckinton, the company became Wilson, Hudson & Co in 1831 and in May 1840 a regular steamship service was instituted between Hull, Christiania (Oslo) and Gothenburg. John and Thomas Hudson withdrew from the partnership in 1841 and the company then became Thos.Wilson, Sons & Co. They rapidly expanded services to Scandinavian, Baltic and European ports and to other UK ports and in 1870 commenced trading to the Adriatic, Black Sea and Mediterranean. (see transmigration on-site) A short lived service to India was attempted in 1871 but was soon abandoned and didn't resume until the 1880s. Sailings to New York started in 1875.

In 1878 the firm of Brownlow, Marsdin & Co, Hull was purchased together with their fleet of seven ships and in 1903 the fleet of 23 vessels and the business of Bailey & Leetham of Hull was taken over. In the same year, agreement was reached with DFDS, Copenhagen to run a joint London - Baltic service. By the early 1900s, the Wilson Line was the largest private shipowning company in the world.

The Wilsons and North Eastern Railway Shipping Co was formed in 1906 to operate services from Humber ports to Hamburg, Antwerp, Ghent and Dunkirk. In 1916 Wilson Line was bought by Ellerman and became Ellerman's Wilson Line Ltd in 1917. In 1973 all Wilson Line services except North Sea services were submerged into Ellerman City Liners and by 1978 competition and decreased trade caused Wilson Line to sell their remaining ships.


On January 22, 1911 Tasso was badly damaged in a collision with the Hamburg America Line ocean liner President Lincoln in fog near the Straits of Dover. Despite all this, she was able to reach Dover but she was never the same again.

She was repaired in Hull and then on August 23, 1911 she was sold to William Morphy & Sons, Hull. This company was the parent of the Greek Achaia Steamship Co, London or Morphy & Crowe & Stevens Line that was based in Patras, Greece. So, in 1914, Tasso was sold to them, renamed Eleusis (in many foreign references also as Elefsis)

Nicholas Peppas
06-06-2009, 18:51
Eleusis was predominantly dedicated to the Ionian trade although she did Cyclades as well. When Morphy, Crowe and Stevens was dissolved in 1917, she was sold to Anghelatos Line in Piraeus. She was placed on the popular (yet dangerous) Piraeus to Thessaloniki line. See for example an announcement from November 24, 1919

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But her engines were giving her trouble and the 1911 accident had left its scars!

On March 20, 1920 (not 1919 as mentioned elsewhere) Eleusis was sold to A. Panayotides in Marseilles, France. She was registered at Piraeus and renamed Photios. She became a cargo/passenger ship and carried general cargo


On December 25, 1920 she foundered in position 42.54N 09.45E between Corsica and Elba.

here is the New York Times of January 23, 1911 reporting this maritime accident

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Nicholas Peppas
06-06-2009, 20:46
Eleusis was predominantly dedicated to the Ionian trade although she did Cyclades as well. When Morphy, Crowe and Stevens was dissolved in 1917, she was sold to Anghelatos Line in Piraeus.

Morphy, Crowe and Stevens was also an agent for other Lines. here is a well known ad of Austro-American which indicates they were the agents...

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Morphy, Crowe and Stevens has become the victim of modern revisionist authors who have selected this particular company to blame her or charge her for unfair "use" of poor Greek emigrants on the way to the USA. This is far from true... The company was quite caring as many articles in Neologos of Patras show

In http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=191856&postcount=16 Ellenis writes



Πραγματικά η Αχαϊκή Ατμοπλοϊα ήταν εταιρεία των Morphy, Crowe και Stevens. Έχω βρει παρακάτω κάποια στοιχεία για τους Stevens που ίσως βοηθούν. Για το τέλος της εταιρείας δεν εχω κάτι, αλλά νομίζω πως μετά τον 1ο παγκόσμιο δεν δραστηριοποιήθηκε στην ακτοπλοία.
Andrew Stevens’ father, Edward, was born in Patras before the outbreak of the Balkan wars. He was a naval officer in World War I and, as director of a Greek shipping company, aided the allies before escaping to South Africa with his family in World War II. Edward’s great grandfather, George Stevens, was brought to the Ionian islands (responsible for supplies, taxes and port requirements) with the then British rulers.

Edward, .... joins his father, Alfred in his shipping business, Crowe & Stevens with offices in Pireaus, Patras, Cephalonia, Zakynthos, Calamata and Catacolo. They have well-known shipping companies such as Ellerman and Bucknall on daily call as well as many lesser known companies. The company is known later, as Morphy, Crowe and Stevens and after the war, as Gellatly Morphy Shipping, and by the late 1980s, as Inchcape Shipping.
Πηγή "The Flight of The Falcons - Greece at War (http://www.wanderlust.co.za/fotf.asp)"

Nicholas Peppas
03-07-2009, 14:37
I have now two ads of Eleusis from 1915. They clearly refer to her association with Ahaiki Atmoploia, and in fact the second one mentions she was the former Tasso!

The two ads are from June 7 and July 8, 1915 and give answer to any concern that Eleusis was not a passenger ship!
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Here is as ad of Photios on September 23, 1920 going "to Europe", just three months before her demise!
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Nicholas Peppas
02-08-2009, 00:01
On January 22, 1911 Tasso was badly damaged in a collision with the Hamburg America Line ocean liner President Lincoln in fog near the Straits of Dover. Despite all this, she was able to reach Dover but she was never the same again.

She was repaired in Hull and then on August 23, 1911 she was sold to William Morphy & Sons, Hull. This company was the parent of the Greek Achaia Steamship Co, London or Morphy & Crowe & Stevens Line that was based in Patras, Greece. So, in 1914, Tasso was sold to them, renamed Eleusis (in many foreign references also as Elefsis)

It appears now that Tasso came to the ownership of the Achaia Steamship Co, London (or Morphy & Crowe & Stevens Line) soon after her 1911 accident. In fact, she was used as a passenger ship with the original name Tasso in 1912!

Here is an ad from July 19, 1912, when Tasso was supposed to do the route to Dardanellia and Constantinople!!!

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Rocinante
06-10-2009, 17:33
Τελικα αγαπητε Nicholas υπαρχουν και αλλοι που ψαχνουν την ιστορια καποιων γνωστων μας πλοιων και βρισκονται πολυ μακρυα. Χαρακτηριστικο παραδειγμα στο παρακατω φορουμ αναζητουνται πληροφοριες απο της Νορβηγιας τα μερη, πατριδα αλλωστε του Ελευσις. Αφορμη προφανως αποτελεσε η ανευρεση μιας πολυ ωραιας φωτογραφιας του πλοιου ως Tasso το 1905.
Που να ηξερε ο φιλος Pakarang απο το Norvik οτι πρεπει να κοιταξει δυτικα περα απο τον Ατλαντικο για να βρει εναν ανθρωπο με μεγαλη υπομονη και επιμονη που ξερει πολλα και εχουμε ολοι μας την χαρα να ειμαστε συνταξιδιωτες ;)
http://captainsvoyage.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=2466

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sylver23
06-10-2009, 23:01
Τα κατάφερες και έκανες εγγραφή????
Απο χθες το προσπαθώ αλλα μάταια.

Tελικά με την παράθεση της σελίδας πρόσεξα οτι ΕΧΟΥΝ ΜΕΤΑΦΕΡΘΕΙ σε άλλο url...

Nicholas Peppas
07-10-2009, 05:00
Τελικα αγαπητε Nicholas υπαρχουν και αλλοι που ψαχνουν την ιστορια καποιων γνωστων μας πλοιων και βρισκονται πολυ μακρυα. Χαρακτηριστικο παραδειγμα στο παρακατω φορουμ αναζητουνται πληροφοριες απο της Νορβηγιας τα μερη, πατριδα αλλωστε του Ελευσις. Αφορμη προφανως αποτελεσε η ανευρεση μιας πολυ ωραιας φωτογραφιας του πλοιου ως Tasso το 1905.

Που να ηξερε ο φιλος Pakarang απο το Norvik οτι πρεπει να κοιταξει δυτικα περα απο τον Ατλαντικο για να βρει εναν ανθρωπο με μεγαλη υπομονη και επιμονη που ξερει πολλα και εχουμε ολοι μας την χαρα να ειμαστε συνταξιδιωτες ;)
http://captainsvoyage.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=2466

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Me ecete kataplhxei me tiV dikieV saV anakaluyeiV!!!

To EleusiV einai idiaitera agaphto gia mena gia pollouV logouV enaV apo touV opoiouV einai oti ferei to onoma thV polewV opou gennhqhke o pateraV mou. Kai se eucaristw gia ta kala sou logia rocinante

Nicholas Peppas
22-10-2009, 02:00
She was repaired in Hull and then on August 23, 1911 she was sold to William Morphy & Sons, Hull. This company was the parent of the Greek Achaia Steamship Co, London or Morphy & Crowe & Stevens Line that was based in Patras, Greece. So, in 1914, Tasso was sold to them, renamed Eleusis (in many foreign references also as Elefsis)

This is an extremely interesting ad from November 19, 1912. Our ship is still named Tasso but for Greek purposes, she is written as Tassos! She is listed with Achaiki Steamship Co and she is going from Piraeus all the way to Kavala!

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Nicholas Peppas
04-04-2010, 17:08
Aνακοινωση της Αχαικης απο τις 19/7/1915

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Nicholas Peppas
24-05-2010, 03:20
Eleusis was predominantly dedicated to the Ionian trade although she did Cyclades as well. When Morphy, Crowe and Stevens was dissolved in 1917, she was sold to Anghelatos Line in Piraeus.
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On March 20, 1920 (not 1919 as mentioned elsewhere) Eleusis was sold to A. Panayotides in Marseilles, France. She was registered at Piraeus and renamed Photios. She became a cargo/passenger ship and carried general cargo
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Εδω μια ωραια ανακοινωση απο τις 16 Οκτωβριου 1920 που παρουσιαζει το πλοιο σαν ΦΩΤΙΟΣ της Αγγλοελληνικης Ατμοπλοιας Παναγιωτιδου...

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Nicholas Peppas
10-10-2010, 03:34
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Here she is in 1910 (as Tasso), just three years before she came in Greece.

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Το Tasso παραλαμβανει Ιταλους προσφυγες απο την Κωνσταντινουπολη. Ολοφτυστο το ιδιο!

Απο το Ελληνοαμερικανικο περιοδικο της Νεας Υορκης Ατλαντις του Αυγουστου 1912

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Nicholas Peppas
18-02-2011, 06:56
Η παλιοτερη ανακοινωση του πλοιου στην Ελλαδα με το ονομα Tasso ειναι στις 29 Μαρτιου 1912.

Βλεπω με χαρα οτι το πλοιο πηγαινε απο τον Πειραια στις Κυδωνιες (Αιβαλι) και στην Ραιδεστο (σημερα Tekirdag)

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Ellinis
27-05-2013, 18:11
Το TASSO της Wilson Line ποζάρει στο Kristiansund της Νορβηγίας από όπου μετέφερε 28 χιλιάδες μετανάστες στην Αγγλία για να πάρουν τα υπερωκεάνεια για την Αμερική.

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πηγή (http://www.fosna-folket.no/gammeldagan/article236545.ece)

Όταν το πλοίο αγοράστηκε από την Αχαϊκή Ατμοπλοΐα διατήρησε για λίγο την αγγλική σημαία και το όνομα, προφανώς για να αποφύγει την επίταξη και να διατηρήσει καθεστώς ουδετερότητας κατά τους Βαλκανικούς πολέμους. Έτσι το πλοίο έκανε χωρίς προβλήματα τη γραμμή Πειραιά-Θεσσαλονίκης, έχοντας και μια μικρή συμμετοχή στην επιχείρηση για τη βύθιση του τουρκικου θωρακισμένου πολεμικού Φετχί Μπουλέντ. Σε άρθρο στο τεύχος 571 τους περιοδικού "Ναυτική Επιθεώρηση" διαβάζουμε για τη δράση του τότε ανθυποπλοίαρχου Ε.Ν. Εμμ.Κουτσουδάκη:


Με εντολή του Βότση μπήκε στο Α/Π "Τάσος" (σ.σ. εννοεί το TASSO) και πήγε στη Θεσσαλονίκη. ... Μέσα από ένα φινιστρινι επισκοπούσε την κατάσταση και εξοικιώθηκε με την θέση του Τουρκικού πολεμικού. ... Το Α/Π "Τάσος" είχε πλοίαρχο τον Αθανάσιο Νίκα, τον οποίο εφαρμάκωσε αργότερα κατά λάθος στον κόλπο των Πατρών ο θαλαμηπόλος του Α/Π "Δελφίν".
Με τις πληροφορίες που μάζεψε ο Κουτσουδάκης κατάφερε στην συνέχεια να βυθιστεί το τουρικικό πλοίο από το Τορπιλοβόλο 11 στο οποίο επέβαινε και ο ίδιος.

Ellinis
15-06-2016, 19:05
Η είδηση από το ναυάγιο του πλοίου εξαιτίας της σφοδρής θαλασσοταραχής
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και δυο φωτογραφίες όταν ταξίδευε ακόμη στη Βόρεια Θάλασσα
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