Νίσυρος [Caroline, Delphine, Stellaris, Sylph II, Lash, Nisyros]

[Nicholas Peppas]

Nisyros was a very famous yacht with a short stay in the Greek seas as a converted passenger ship in the late 1940s. She is mentioned by A. Tzamtzis in his I Elliniki Epivatigos Nautilia (Miletos, 2002) as a ship that was doing domestic routes on January 1, 1949. Ellinis has told me that he has at least one of her schedules and will add it after my introduction.

Nisyros was built in the USA as the yacht Caroline belonging to Edward Ford of Toledo, Ohio. She was built at Jacob's in City Island in 1914. She had 339 tons with a length of 50.6 m and a width of 7.3 m. Her service speed was recorded as 14 knots.

Here are the Miramar entries



IDNo: 5253858 Year: 1914
Name: CAROLINE Launch Date:
Type: Yacht Date of completion:
Flag: USA Keel:
Tons: 339 Link:
DWT: Yard No:
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: 50.6 Country of build: USA
Beam: 7.3 Builder: Jacob, R.
Material of build: Location of yard: City Island
Number of screws/Mchy/
Speed(kn): 1T-14
Subsequent History: 18 DELPHINE - 22 STELLARIS - 40 SYLPH II - 42 LASH - 46 NISYROS
Disposal Data: deleted 86




Name Tons Change Starke Ref. Main Owner
CAROLINE 339 1914 E.Ford
DELPHINE 339 1918 H.E.Dodge
STELLARIS 339 1922 J.M.& S.F.Schlotman
SYLPH II 339 1940 NY Waterway Cruises
LASH 339 1942 V1914 U.S.Navy
NISYROS 339 1946 Mediterranean Nav Co


Here is a wonderful article about the launching of Caroline... It is from the New York Times of April 8, 1914

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She stayed with Edward Ford for 3 years and, miraculously, she avoided requisition by the US navy...

But the next stage of her career brought her into new heights. I have reconstructed her story using various sources including http://www.gphistorical.org/autobarons/dodge/dodge2.htm

In late 1917 Horace Dodge purchased the steam yacht Caroline, which for three years had been used in the Great Lakes. In 1918 he registered her out of Detroit.

Then, in 1919 he renamed the yacht Delphine (I) in honor of his daughter. For the marriage of his daughter Delphine to Jim Cromwell on June 17, 1920 he gave them the Delphine for a cruise of the Great Lakes. On that same day as DelphineΆs wedding, the keel and frames for a new yacht were laid at the Great Lakes Engineering Works at River Rouge, Michigan. With the completion of the new Delphine II in 1921 the Delphine I was sold in May 1922 to Mrs. Joseph B. Schlotman of Grosse Pointe Shores.

Here is a nice photograph of Delphine in 1920.

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[Nicholas Peppas]

With the completion of the new Delphine II in 1921 the Delphine I was sold in May 1922 to Mrs. Joseph B. Schlotman of Grosse Pointe Shores.

Mrs. Joseph B. Schlotman renamed the yacht the Stellaris, and used her until the mid-1930Άs. At that time a wooden structure was built around the upper deck, which in my opinion made her slightly less appealing! She sat in the Belle River at Marine City, Michigan.

Here are four photographs of Stellaris with the new superstructure in 1927 or 1928.

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See also http://www.gphistorical.org/stonehurst/stonehurst4.html with a slide show!!!

[Nicholas Peppas]

Here are four photographs of Stellaris with the new superstructure in 1927 or 1928. See also http://www.gphistorical.org/stonehurst/stonehurst4.html with a slide show!!!
Four more photos of the interior of Stellaris in the late 1920s... I have no way to know if that's what passengers of Nisyros would encounter during her voyages in the late 1940s but I doubt it....

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The yacht Stellaris was eventually sold in 1941 to the New York Waterway Yacht Cruise Company for tours of New York Harbor and was given the name Sylph II. But with the coming World War II such luxuries did not last long...

Sylph II was acquired by the Navy on March 23, 1942 and commissioned at New York on June 5, 1942. She was named Lash or PYc--31.

The site http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/patrol/pyc31.htm indicates Lash or PYc--31 was assigned to the 3d Naval District, and patrolled the coast off New York until October 16, 1942 when she sailed for the Gulf of Mexico.

Arriving in Algiers, Lousiana on November 5, 1942, the patrol ship Lash operated in the 8th Naval District for almost two years as a training craft for the Armed Guard Training Center in Gulfport, Mississippi. Good bye great wood interior!

Lash was decommissioned at Gulfport on September 6, 1944 and was returned to the New York Waterway Yacht Cruise Company on May 18, 1945. See also http://www.historycentral.com/Navy/patrol/lash.html

At this point I lose the connection... I know she was sold in 1946 to a certain Mediterranean Navigation Co of Alexandria, Egypt and named Nisyros. Nothing else, except that it took another 40 years before she was removed from Lloyd's

[Ellinis]

Sylph II was acquired by the Navy on March 23, 1942 and commissioned at New York on June 5, 1942. She was named Lash or PYc--31.


Στο navsource.org (http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1431.htm)έχει και άλλες φωτογραφίες του στην Αμέρικα.
Eπίσης στο εξαιρετικό Historical Collection of the Great Lakes (http://ul.bgsu.edu/cgi-bin/xvsl2.cgi), δείνει την ιστορία του (χωρίς το τέλος αφού αναφέρει "Returned to owner, May 18, 1945, and presumed scrapped" και μια φωτογραφία.


Στο ηλ.αρχείο της εθνικής βιβλιοθήκης βρέθηκε και το δρομολόγιο που έκανε το ΝΙΣΥΡΟΣ τον Ιούλη του 1947 για λογαριασμό της εταιρείας J.Aslanis & Co Mediterranean Shipping.


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Το πέρασμα του από την ακτοπλοΐα δεν πρέπει να κράτησε πολύ και μετά χάνεται. Το ότι οι Lloyds το διέγραψαν από τα κιτάπια τους το 1986, δείχνει απλά το ότι είχαν χάσει τα ίχνη του από καιρό.

[Nicholas Peppas]

Thanks for this exceptional information. What surprises me though is how a 330-ton yacht could be going all the way south to Cyprus, Lebanon and Egypt.... with passengers, etc.... Also it is interesting that the ad connects her to E. Ford who was her owner only from 1914-18. In fact, H. Dodge was a much more famous millionaire...
Thanks for all this. It completes a very nice story!

One last photo
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[Ellinis]

Έκανα μια σύγκριση ανάμεσα στην άγνωστη πλώρη που είχαμε δεί εδώ (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=118274&postcount=1), και σε αυτή του ΝΙΣΥΡΟΣ.

Και νομίζω πως πρόκειται για ένα και το αυτό.
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[Nicholas Peppas]

Έκανα μια σύγκριση ανάμεσα στην άγνωστη πλώρη που είχαμε δεί εδώ (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=118274&postcount=1), και σε αυτή του ΝΙΣΥΡΟΣ.

Και νομίζω πως πρόκειται για ένα και το αυτό.
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Idid a comparison between the unknown bow that we had here, and the one of NISYROS.

And I believe she is one and the same ship.
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Πολυ ενδιαφερον και δεν διαφωνω. Συχνα ομως βλεπω γιωτ με τα ιδια χαρακτηριστικα!

Very interesting and I do not disagree. However, I find yachts with similar characteristics often in my searches!

[Nicholas Peppas]

Μια μικρη περιληψη της ιστοριας του πλοιου
And a short summary of teh ship's history here
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Ωραιοτατες προπολεμικες φωτογραφιες του Νισυρος σαν Sylph II/Lash 339
Wonderful photos before the War from Nisyros as Sylph II/Lash 339
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[Nicholas Peppas]

Μερικα αγνωστα στοιχεια για το πλοιο (σαν Sylph II) οταν εκανε μερικους περιπατους γυρω απο το Manhattan το 1939-1943 οπως τα πηραμε απο το παρακατω βιβλιαρακι του 1997
Some unknown details of the ship (as Sylph II) when she was doing small trips around Manhattan in 1939-1943 as we copied them from this small book of 1997

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[Nicholas Peppas]

Το Νισυρος εμεινε λιγο σαν επιβατηγο στον Ελληνικο χωρο. Εδω καποιες διαφημισεις απο το 1947. Πρωτα, μια απο τις 18 Ιουνιου 1947, παρομοια της αλλης που ανεφερε ο ellinis απο τον Ιουλιο του ιδιου ετους.
Nisyros remained in the Greek seas only for a little while. Here you see some ads from 1947. First, one from June 18, 1947, very similar to the one from July 1947 that ellinis uploaded

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Και εδω κοιταξτε την αθλια κατασταση των "θαλασσιων συγκοινωνιων" απο την επομενη μερα...
And here please read about the conditions of Greek coastal shipping at that time

Ιουνιος μηνας 1947 και η Ελλαδα εχει συγκοινωνια με το εξωτερικο με τα εξης πλοια:
On June 1947, Greece has connections with other countries with the following ships:
• το περιφημο Καδιω (the famous Cadio) http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=62462
• το Νισυρος (Nisyros)
• το Δολορες του Κυριακιδη (Dolores of Kyriakides) http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=76063
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• το Ιταλικο Lido, απιθανο πλοιο, Γερμανικο, φτιαγμενο στο Στεττινο αρχικα το 1889 (!) με το ονομα London, μολις 1243 τοννων και 8,5 κομβων!!!! Εδω
The Italian Lido an incredibly old ship, German, built in Stettin in 1889 with the name London, only of 1,243 tons and doing 8.5 knots!!! Here http://www.naviearmatori.net/html/vedi_armatore-ita-46-0.html.

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Το γνωστο μας Pace ανηκε στην ιδια εταιρεια (Ignazio Messina)! Our well known Pace belonged to the same company(Ignazio Messina http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=300287&postcount=364


Restò in attività solo il piroscafo “Lido”, nave destinata ad avere poi unΆesistenza lunghissima. Nel 1945 Messina diede vita alla C.A.I.M. (Cooperativa Armamento Imprese Marittime). LΆobiettivo della nuova impresa era lo sminamento dello scalo, imposto allΆ Italia dagli Alleati, e in seguito diede vita a un'Officina Meccanica, ubicata a Calata Boccardo accanto alla OMSA e alle Officine San Giorgio, per la costruzione di strumenti di navigazione e carte nautiche; ancora oggi la società è attiva e negli uffici esiste il ritratto di Messina. Tra il 1945 e 1948, presso i Cantieri del Mediterraneo, erano state costruite per la consociata Messina tre motonavi destinate alle rotte della Libia e per la Tunisia: “Libertà”, “Operosità” e “Concordia”. Il piroscafo “Lido” copriva le linee per Grecia, Turchia e Mar Nero.


Miramar:



IDNo: 5614416 Year: 1889
Name: LONDON Keel:
Type: Cargo ship Launch Date:
Flag: DEU Date of completion: 5.89
Tons: 1227 Link: 1974
DWT: 0 Yard No: 186
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: 70.4 Country of build: DEU
Beam: 9.5 Builder: Stettiner Vulcan
Material of build: Location of yard: Stettin-Bredow
Number of screws/Mchy/ Speed(kn): 1T-8.5
Subsequent History: 21 OSTMARK - 25 MARY - 28 LIDO
Disposal Data: BU La Spezia 15.10.63


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That's all folks!

[jcarmel]

dear nicholas,
hoping you could translate the last two posts, please. recently found another interesting item related to the stellaris that you might find of interest.
best,
jc
http://www.arcade-museum.com/mtr/MTR-1924-79-15/MTR-1924-79-15-02.pdf

[Nicholas Peppas]

dear nicholas,
hoping you could translate the last two posts, please. recently found another interesting item related to the stellaris that you might find of interest.
best,
jc
http://www.arcade-museum.com/mtr/MTR-1924-79-15/MTR-1924-79-15-02.pdf

Hello again!

First I added translations to some of the recent entries so that you can better understand them.

Also thank you for the wonderful ad of Welte-Mignon and its use in Stellaris! I happen to be also collector of extremely old records (first issue 78s from 1895-1915 as a well as cylinders) and music systems, so Welte-Mignon is very well known to me

With your permission, I have transformed everything into jpg files, so that more people can see them

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[Nicholas Peppas]

Λιγες ανακοινωσεις για τα ταξιδια του πλοιου Νισυρος απο την μικρη σταδιοδρομια του στην Ελλαδα. Ολα τα παρα κατω απο την Καθημερινη.

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Στις 6 Οκτωβριου παει στην Δωδεκανησο, ακομη και στην Νισυρο!!!!

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Και εδω στις 18 Ιουνιου 1947 κανει το πιο κλασσικο της δρομολογιο.

[Ellinis]

Ένα φιλμάκι του 1927 μας μεταφέρει πάνω στη θαλαμηγό STELLARIS: http://vimeo.com/45288318

Και δυο όψεις ενός οδηγού της Νέας Υόρκης με διαφήμιση του σκάφους που με το όνομα SYLPH II έκανε το γύρo του Manhattan.
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πηγή (https://www.etsy.com/listing/162635441/vintage-1930s-little-journeys-in-new)

[Nicholas Peppas]

Ένα φιλμάκι του 1927 μας μεταφέρει πάνω στη θαλαμηγό STELLARIS: http://vimeo.com/45288318

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Priceless ...

[Ellinis]

Μια διαφήμιση με πρωταγωνιστή το CAROLINE, λίγο πριν πουληθεί στα τέλη του 1917 στον αυτοκινητοβιομήχανο Horace Dodge που του έδωσε το όνομα της κόρης του: Delphine.
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Αξίζει να αναφέρουμε οτι η θητεία του σκάφους ως DELPHINE έληξε όταν αντικαταστάθηκε απο ένα άλλο μεγαλύτερο πλοίο που επίσης πήρε το όνομα DELPHINE. Το ενδιαφέρον είναι οτι το 2ο DELPHINE πέρασε για τρία χρόνια, το 1986-1989 από την Travel Dynamics του Παπαγαπητού (που έχει το THE CALLISTO, το CORINTHIAN κλπ). Η πρόθεση τους ήταν να το μετασκευάσουν για επιμορφωτικές κρουαζιέρες εξερεύνησης αλλά τελικά παρέμεινε ανενεργό μέχρι που πουλήθηκε. Χρειάστηκε να αλλάξει και άλλους ιδιοκτήτες μέχρι που ανακαινήστηκε το 1997-2003 για να επανέλθει στην παλιά του αίγλη. Mόνο που λόγω της οικονομικής κρίσης εδώ και πέντε-έξι χρόνια παραμένει στην Τυνησία δεμένο και προς πώληση. Περισσότερα για την ιστορία του εδώ: http://www.thehoworths.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/SS-Delphine.pdf

[Ellinis]

Η είδηση για την αγορά του πλοίου το 1946, προσθέτει σε όσα γνωρίζαμε ότι οι ιδιοκτήτες του ήταν από τη Νίσυρο και οτι προοριζόταν για τη γραμμή Δωδεκανήσου.

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