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Επιστροφή στο Forum : Ουράνα [Σμύρνη - Lodore, Tangier, Ourana, Smyrni, Kemal]



Nicholas Peppas
30-06-2009, 23:38
One more Pantaleon ship that was very active from 1896 to 1920, Ourana did mostly coastal routes at the Asia Minor coast as well as some routes from Piraeus to Smyrna.

She was named Lodore but was actually launched as Tangier. She belonged to Fisher, Renwick & Co of Newcastle, UK and had a tonnage of just 656 tons. She was a mixed cargo/passenger ship with routes from Newcastle to Norway. More about the Fisher, Renwick & Co of Newcastle can be found in http://www.nynehead-books.co.uk/description.php?II=9

Here are her Miramar entries



IDNo: 1080555 Year: 1878
Name: LODORE Launch Date: 12.9.78
Type: Cargo ship Date of completion: 10.78
Flag: GBR Keel:
Tons: 656 Link: 1489
DWT: Yard No: 113
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: 61.0 Country of build: GBR
Beam: 8.6 Builder: Wigham Richardson
Material of build: I Location of yard: Low Walker
Number of screws/Mchy/ Speed(kn): 1C-
Owner as Completed: Fisher, Renwick & Co, Newcastle
Subsequent History: [L as TANGIER] - 96 URANA - 13 OURANA - 21 SMYRNI - 29 KEMAL
Disposal Data: sold 6.54 & hulked at Istanbul




Name Tons Change Starke Ref. Main Owner
LODORE 656 1878 Fisher Renwick & Co
TANGIER 656 1878 Fisher Renwick & Co
URANA 656 1896 P.Pantaleon
OURANA 656 1913 P.Pantaleon
SMYRNI 656 1921 P.Pantaleon Sons
KEMAL 656 1929 A.Sadikzade


Tangier was purchased by the Oriental Line of Pantaleon in 1896 and named Ourana. As I understand, Ourana was a common female name in teh Greek community of Asia Minor.

The Oriental Line of the Pantaleon family started in Smyrna in 1883. Their first ships were the 223-ton Eleni and the 443-ton Smyrna. By the end of the 19th century they had numerous ships including Anatoli, Athinai, Vyzantion, Gortynia, Ourana, Roumeli, Samos, Sparti and Zatouna. Many of these ships had exceptional contributions to Greek shipping (notably Roumeli, Vyzantion and Anatoli) but some of them had very unfortunate ends (Athinai, Sparti).

In the 1908 US State Department publication Commercial Relations of the United States with Foreign Countries it is stated:
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Surprisingly enough, Pantaleon had placed her also to go from Piraeus to Crete and Egypt before World War I! Here is Ourana's schedule of October 15, 1909
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For patriotic reasons, she was renamed Smyrni in 1921 and continued as a passenger ship until 1929. Here is an August 14, 1924 schedule showing her going to Chios and Mytilene.
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Smyrni was sold to A. Sadikzade in Turkey and renamed Kemal (!). A Turkish site gives this picture as Ourana transferring Turkish refugees from Kavala to Turkey. I have serious doubts that this is correct.

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Kemal was scrapped in 1954, age 76!

Ellinis
06-07-2009, 14:48
As I understand, Ourana was a common female name in teh Greek community of Asia Minor.
'Εχεις δίκιο, η Ανατολική Ατμοπλοϊα είχε τουλάχιστον άλλο ένα πλοίο με το όνομα ΟΥΡΑΝΑ. Και το λέω γιατί έχω διαβάσει πως το 1932 το ΟΥΡΑΝΑ της Ανατολικής αχρηστεύθηκε (αποσύρθηκε)λόγω ηλικίας. Και αφού το ΟΥΡΑΝΑ/ΣΜΥΡΝΗ είχε ήδη πουληθή στην Τουρκία πρόκειται για άλλο πλοίο.


The Oriental Line of the Pantaleon family started in Smyrna in 1883.
Και απο σχετική έκδοση των Lloyd's του 1914, τα σινιάλα της εταιρείας:
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Ellinis
16-07-2009, 20:17
Στο παρακάτω απόσπασμα περιγράφεται ο επαναπατρισμός των εκδιωγμένων βλαχόφωνων Ελλήνων με τα ακτοπλοϊκά ΟΥΡΑΝΑ, ΑΔΡΙΑΤΙΚΟΣ (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=59894&highlight=ADRIATICOS)και ΞΕΝΟΥΛΑ.



Across the Danube, via riverboat, we reached Lon Palaga, there in Nyssa, and by rail, via Sofia, we reached Varna, where we were isolated, quarantined, in commercial railway cars, near the coast. They kept us there for about a month, awaiting the restoration of the steamship transport via the Black Sea, which had been swept of the mines, and the first travelers would be we captives. Three steamboats arrived in the port of Varna, the ‘Xenoula’. ‘Ourana’ and ‘Adriatikos’, which picked us up for our return to Greece. A number died en route, due to the hardships, the sufferings and the typhus, and the bodies were cast into the sea. When we reached Propontis, we saw the legendary battleship ‘Averof’ anchored there, the crew of which greeted us with the National Anthem. Afterwards we reached Kavala.
Πηγή: http://www.etno-institut.co.yu/GEI/GEI_LIV/kaliopi.pdf (http://www.etno-institut.co.yu/GEI/GEI_LIV/kaliopi.pdf)

Nicholas Peppas
16-07-2009, 21:53
Στο παρακάτω απόσπασμα περιγράφεται ο επαναπατρισμός των εκδιωγμένων βλαχόφωνων Ελλήνων με τα ακτοπλοϊκά ΟΥΡΑΝΑ, ΑΔΡΙΑΤΙΚΟΣ (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=59894&highlight=ADRIATICOS)και ΞΕΝΟΥΛΑ.



Παρα πολυ ενδαφερον. Οσο για το Ξενουλα (παλιο Θεσσαλια), ετοιμαζω καινουριο αρθρο.


Στο παρακάτω απόσπασμα περιγράφεται ο επαναπατρισμός των εκδιωγμένων βλαχόφωνων Ελλήνων με τα ακτοπλοϊκά ΟΥΡΑΝΑ, ΑΔΡΙΑΤΙΚΟΣ (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=59894&highlight=ADRIATICOS)και ΞΕΝΟΥΛΑ.

Thanks again Ellinis. The treaty of San Stefano (fortunately for Greece never certified) created a greater Bulgaria with ports in Aegaeon and the Black Sea...

Nicholas Peppas
04-08-2009, 04:09
For patriotic reasons, she was renamed Smyrni in 1921 and continued as a passenger ship until 1929. Here is an August 14, 1924 schedule showing her going to Chios and Mytilene.
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And here is an ad from February 16, 1924 when Smyrni was doing teh Crete route
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Nicholas Peppas
26-12-2012, 01:54
Εδω δυο δρομολογια του πλοιου Ουρανα στα τελη του 19ου αιωνος.

Απο την Σφαιρα του Πειραιως της 8ης Οκτωβριου 1896.

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Και απο το Εμπρος της 8ης Μαρτιου 1897. Προφανως το πλοιο αυτο εκανε τα δρομολογια Μικρας Ασιας. Θα ενδιεφερε να δοθμε ενα χαρτη των δρομολογιων του πλοιου που περιελαμβαναν Ελληνικες πολεις.

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Nicholas Peppas
26-06-2013, 23:44
Εδω εχουμε δυο ενδιαφεροντα στοιχεια. Πρωτα ενα αρθρο για το πλοιο Lodore με το ονομα οταν πρωτοφτιαχθηκε.

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Και εδω μια καταχωρηση απο τα Μακεδονιkα Nεα της 15ης Φεβρουαριου 1923 οταν το πλοιο ηταν το Σμυρνη και εκανε ταξιδια σε ολο το Αιγαιο..
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Ellinis
06-09-2016, 15:54
Σε μια εικόνα της Θεσσαλονίκης από το 1916 βλέπουμε και το ΟΥΡΑΝΑ με τα διακριτικα ουδετερότητας στα πλευρά του.

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Ellinis
04-12-2021, 16:40
To Lloyd's Register έχει ψηφιοποιήσει ένα μεγάλο μέρος από τα αρχεία του και τα διαθέτει για έρευνα στο https://hec.lrfoundation.org.uk/archive-library/
Εκεί βρίσκονται και διάφορα έγγραφα από το LODORE όπως αυτό από την περίοδο της ναυπήγησης του:

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Όπως διαβάζουμε εδώ (http://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/L-Ships/lodore1878.html)το πλοίο είχε καθελκυσθεί ως TANGIER και έμεινε για ένα χρόνο αναμένοντας νέους ιδιοκτήτες.

Και εδώ μια άφιξη του ως ΟΥΡΑΝΑ πια στον Πειραιά με λογίς εμπορεύματα:
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