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Επιστροφή στο Forum : Αλέξανδρος [Apis, Alexandros, California, Washington]



Nicholas Peppas
03-07-2009, 05:38
Alexandros is the name of two pre-war ships. I am correcting here the original article as suggested by Ellinis.

Alexandros was built in 1869 at Clyde as APIS (http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=10425)for the Austrian Lloyd in Scotland. She had 624 tons. She was bought by the Ottoman shipping company Hadji Daoud Farkouh that had also Greek interests.
A citation from here (http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/Mariners/2002-11/1037490521):



Apis was sold to Farkouk, Smyrna in 1894
being renamed Alexandros. later renamed California owned by
Archipelago-American SS Co, Smyrna. Removed from Lloyd's Register in 1913.


NB; By the way the Shipslist http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/lloydaust.htm shows her at 1,246 tons!

The Hadji Daoud Farkouh Shipping Co, otherwise known as Aktoploia Archipelagou had a very wide range of routes across the Aegean. For example, in Rudolf Fitzner's Kleinasien und Syrien (Volckmann, Rostock, 1904), the following routes are given

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Just before the end of the Ottoman empire, members of the Farkouh family transferred most of the shipping company to the US flag (see also http://hadjidaoud.blogspot.com/2008/10/farkouh-family-izmir-and-elsewhere.html)

In the The New York Times, 14 February 1915 it is stated:



Advices received here today from Constantinople say that the Turkish government will protest against the sinking by the Russians of the steamship Washington (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E0CE7D61538E633A25750C1A9649C94 6496D6CF) while sailing under the American flag. The vessel is reported to have been sunk on Feb. 8 while engaged in carrying Red Cross supplies between Constantinople and Trebizond.The Washington was owned by the Archipelago-American Steamship Company, which controls a fleet of boats named after American States and playing between American ports. The steamship Texas, which struck a mine and sank in the Gulf of Smyrna in May 1912, at the time of the Turkish-Italian war (http://www.answers.com/topic/turkish-italian-war), belonged to this line.The Archipelago-American Steamship Company is owned in large parts by naturalized Greeks, and is chartered under the Maine laws, though no American registry has been granted to its vessels. At the time of an anti-Greek boycott directed against the ships of this company some years ago, however, the line was authorized to fly the American flag by the American Consul at Smyrna because the company was largely controlled by American interests.


Here are some schedules of Alexandros.

First on June 16, 1900, Alexandros does the Piraeus, Chios, Klazomenes, Smyrna route!!! Klazomenes was the Greek Vourla, today's Urla in Turkey and was located 20 miles west of Smyrna.

Vourla was the birthplace of the Greek poet and Nobel laureate Giorgos Seferis, whose paternal house has been preserved and is shown below.

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Nicholas Peppas
03-07-2009, 14:32
Here are more schedules of Alexandros.

Alexandros on May 18, 1900 does the Piraeus, Crete, Alexandria route!
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On May 13, 1903, Alexandros does the Piraeus, Crete, Alexandria route!
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Ellinis
04-07-2009, 20:11
Alexandros was built in 1883 in Scotland.

Νίκο, τα πράγματα είναι λίγο μπερδεμένα (για εμένα). Και να εξηγήσω, στο απόσπασμα που παρέθεσες παραπάνω αναφέρεται η βύθιση του WASHINGTON του Δαούτ, το 1915 κοντά στην Τραπεζούντα.

Το πλοίο αυτό είχε ναυπηγηθεί το 1869 στο Clyde ως APIS (http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=10425)για την Austrian Lloyd. To είχε αγοράσει το 1894 ο Δαούτ και κράτησε το όνομα ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ μέχρι που μεταφέρθηκε στην αμερικάνικη σημαία.
Μια παράθεση από εδώ (http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/Mariners/2002-11/1037490521):


Apis was sold to Farkouk, Smyrna in 1894
being renamed Alexandros. later renamed California owned by
Archipelago-American SS Co, Smyrna. Removed from Lloyd's Register in 1913.
Τo 1914 πήρε το όνομα WASHINGTON για να βυθιστεί την επόμενη χρονιά.
Επομένως τα δρομολόγια του ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ που παρέθεσες πρέπει να είναι του παραπάνω πλοίου και όχι του ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ που είχαν αργότερα οι Μακρής και Παντελής. Για αυτό το δεύτερο ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ δεν έχω καταφέρει να βρω κάτι.


Just before the end of the Ottoman empire, members of the Farkouh family transferred most of the shipping company to the US flag


Να και τα σινιάλα της Archipelago-American SS Co. του Δαούτ, από σχετική έκδοση των Lloyds:

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Nicholas Peppas
22-09-2009, 05:39
Να και τα σινιάλα της Archipelago-American SS Co. του Δαούτ, από σχετική έκδοση των Lloyds:

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I must say that the use of Archipelago-American SS Co as a title was because of the difficult times in Ottoman Empire. Using the name "American" and in fact having US flags for some of these ships was a better protection

Nicholas Peppas
29-10-2009, 23:17
Alexandros and Alexandria on April 29, 1905

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Didn't Giafes become a shipowner in Greece in the 1930s?

Nicholas Peppas
30-10-2009, 04:35
We have now discovered important old and new documents that indicate that Apis, the Lloyd Austriaca ship that eventually became Alexandros, has a distinguished career as one of the first ships of the company going from Italy to Bombay, India!!! Here is an 1870 document from the Rivista Universale (Vol 12) and a 2005 document from the La Voce del Popolo. It is interesting that in this (and other documents) Apis appears to have "disappeared" while in reality, she was sold and had a second life in the Mediterranean!

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Ellinis
02-11-2009, 17:01
Didn't Giafes become a shipowner in Greece in the 1930s?

τον είχες αναφέρει εδώ (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpost.php?p=250213&postcount=2)

τοξοτης
21-02-2015, 23:11
Με συγχωρείτε αλλά έχω μπερδευτεί. όταν γράφει το http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/lloydaust.shtml
< in service until 1894 > ​ τι εννοεί ??



Vessel

Built

Years in Service

Tons



Apis

1869

in service until 1894.

1,246

Nicholas Peppas
23-02-2015, 01:35
Με συγχωρείτε αλλά έχω μπερδευτεί. όταν γράφει το http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/lloydaust.shtml
< in service until 1894 > ​ τι εννοεί ??



Vessel
Built
Years in Service
Tons


Apis
1869
in service until 1894.
1,246



Απλως οτι ηταν βαπορι της Lloyd Austriaco μεχρι το 1894 (in service with Lloyd Austriaco until 1894) με το ονομα Apis. Μετα ονομασθηκε Αλεξανδρος

Ellinis
21-04-2019, 19:33
Nα δούμε και μια φωτογραφία από το φορτηγοποστάλι όπως ήταν με τα χρώματα του Αυστριακού Λλόυδ. Προέρχεται από το εξαιρετικό βιβλίο "Alt-Osterreich auf Hoher See (http://www.buchhandlung-stoehr.at/shop/alt-oesterreich-auf-hoher-see/)" (Η παλιά Αυστρία στις ανοιχτές θάλασσες) που περιλαμβάνει την ιστορία του Λλουδ και πολλών πλοίων του.

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