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Επιστροφή στο Forum : Αντίσσα [Lomonosoff, Antissa, Antalya]



Nicholas Peppas
04-07-2009, 23:05
Antissa was a very unusual British-owned, Greek-promoted passenger ship in the difficult 1922-24 times. She was built as Lomonosoff or Lomonosov by Dobson in the UK in 1891. She belonged to the Archangel (Arkhangelsk in Russia)-Mourmansk Shipping and Navigation Company in Archangel, Russia and did most of her runs in the first 29 years between Arkhangelsk, Onega, and Severodvinsk in the White Sea and Murmansk in the Barents Sea. Her name was given because the great Mikhail Lomonosov came from a Pomor village near Kholmogory in Arkhangelsk Oblast.

And then in 1920, in the aftermath of the Russian revolution, this ship had the most unusual story as described by http://www.archive.org/stream/leadingcasesonin00evaniala/leadingcasesonin00evaniala_djvu.txt



A group of British and Belgian officers and soldiers were at Murmansk, which had been under the Government of Northern Russia, when the town was captured by the Bolsheviks. The British and Belgians, who would probably have been killed if they had remained, could have escaped to Norway by land, but they decided instead to seize the steamer Lomonosoff, then lying in the harbor, which they navigated to a Norwegian port where they turned it over to the owners and claimed salvage on the ground that they had saved the ship from the Bolsheviks. In the action brought to enforce this claim, the owners set up several defenses, among them being that the plaintiffs had merely saved the ship from passing from the control of one government to the control of another. On this point the court, in The Lomonosoff (1920), L. R. [1921] P. 97, 105, said:

It is obvious that this court, respecting the comity of nations, would never treat as a meritorious service the act of persons who in defiance of the laws of an established government recognized by and in friendship with this country, took a ship out of the lawful control of such a government. But at Murmansk on February 21 there was no government recognized by this country and indeed no established government at all. There was for the moment a state of anarchy, during which armed men were taking possession of all the ships they could get at. It is true that, so far as I can
judge, they were not strictly pirates in the sense that they were persons who plundered indiscriminately for their own private ends. But, on the other hand, they were not acting with the authority of a politically organized society which at the time was recognized by this country. There is nothing, therefore, in the comity of nations which compels this Court to treat the rescue as a rescue from lawful authority.


Lomonosoff (then Antissa) had a tonnage of 977 tons, a length of 69 m and a width of 9.2 m. Here are her Miramar characteristics



Name Tons Change Main Owner
LOMONOSOFF 977 1891 Archangel Murmansk
ANTISSA 977 1922 T.Bowen Rees & Co
ANTALYA 977 1924 Turkish Govt



IDNo: 1144926 Year: 1891
Name: LOMONOSOFF Launch Date: 27.12.90
Type: Passenger/cargo Date of completion: 3.91
Flag: RUS Keel:
Tons: 977 Link: 1499
DWT: Yard No: 41
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: 69.0 Country of build: GBR
Beam: 9.1 Builder: Dobson, W.
Material of build: Location of yard: Low Walker
Number of screws/Mchy/ Speed(kn): 2T-
Owner as Completed: Archangel-Mourmansk S.N.Co, Archangel
Subsequent History: 22 ANTISSA - 24 ANTALYA
Disposal Data: BU Istanbul 55


In late 1921, the ship was sold to the New Egypt & Levant Shipping Co Ltd, (T Bowen Rees & Co Ltd, managers). This company specialized in older passenger/cargo ship bought usually from Russia. At that time, all the names of her ships started with Ant- (Antiope, Anteus, Antar, Antioch, Anteros, Antinoe, Antonio, etc). Lomonosoff was named Antissa, from the name of the ancient Lesbian town.

Yet, Antissa was assigned to the Palios Line or Anonymos Elliniki Etaireia Thalassion Epiheiriseon and was handled by them. She continued flying the British flag. Here is a schedule of August 31, 1922 when she was going from Piraeus to Alexandria
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Then, on September 27, 1922, Antissa leaves from Thessaloniki to Volos and Alexandria. Note that the Greta mentioned in the same announcement became the Potamianos Elvira in just one year! The shipping company appears now as Αγγλικη Ατμοπλοια Ρηζ (Rees).
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The reason that Palios could continue having access to the Turkish coast market was that the New Egypt & Levant Shipping Co Ltd, of T Bowen Rees & Co was one of the companies allowed to work in Turkey according to a poor translation of the Turkish text in www.dtoizmir.org/Türkdenizciliğindeizmir.pdf (http://www.dtoizmir.org/Türkdenizciliğindeizmir.pdf)
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Nicholas Peppas
05-07-2009, 00:36
Yet, Antissa was assigned to the Palios Line or Anonymos Elliniki Etaireia Thalassion Epiheiriseon and was handled by them. She continued flying the British flag. The reason that Palios could continue having access to the Turkish coast market was that the New Egypt & Levant Shipping Co Ltd, of T Bowen Rees & Co was one of the companies allowed to work in Turkey

In 1924, the ship was sold to the Turkish Government and named Antalya. She lasted another 31 years! The Russian reference that the Antioch became the Antalya is incorrect (http://wap.kortic.borda.ru/?1-7-60-00000006-000-10001-0)
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The Antioch (Αντιοχεια in Greek) was another former Arkhangelsk-Mourmansk vessel that became a New Egypt & Levant Shipping Co Ltd, of T Bowen Rees & Co


Name Tons Change Main Owner
IMPERATOR NIKOLAI II 1186 1896 Archangel Murmansk
MIKHAIL SIDOROV 1120 1917 Archangel Murmansk
ANTIOCH 1120 1922 T. Bowen Rees & Co
MERSIN 1120 1924 Turkish Govt



IDNo: 1145479 Year: 1896
Name: IMPERATOR NIKOLAI II Launch Date: 28.2.96
Type: Passenger/cargo Date of completion: 4.96
Flag: RUS Keel:
Tons: 1186 Link: 1499
DWT: Yard No: 75
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: 72.5 Country of build: GBR
Beam: 9.8 Builder: Dobson, W.
Material of build: Location of yard: Low Walker
Number of screws/Mchy/ Speed(kn): 2T-
Owner as Completed: Archangel-Mourmansk S.N.Co, Archangel
Subsequent History: 17 MIKHAIL SIDOROV - 22 ANTIOCH - 24 MERSINE - 28 MERSIN
Disposal Data: BU Istanbul 1q.59


Here is an October 19, 1922 ad of Antioch in Greece
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Returning now to http://wap.kortic.borda.ru/?1-7-60-00000006-000-10001-0, this is what it says about Antioch (all correct except the Turkish transfer). The correct Turkish post-1924 name was Mersin. Scrapped in 1959!



«ИМПЕРАТОР НИКОЛАЙ II» 1896 г.; William Dobson & Co, Ньюкасл (Англия);строй. № 75 Товаро-пассажирский двухвинтовой пароход заказан Товариществом в 1895 г., спущен 15 /28 2 1896 г., в 4 1896 г. передан заказчику. Обслуживал Мурманскую линию, на зиму с грузом рыбы в С.-Петербург.В начале 1907 г. ремонт в Лайском доке (устье Северной Двины). В 5 1917 г. переименован в «МИХАИЛ СИДОРОВ» . в 8 1918 взят англичанами, передан компании «CGWilkinson, Newcastle», и вскоре угнан за рубеж - 1922 продан комп. «Egypt & Levant SS Co Ltd» (англ T. Bowen Rees & Co) как. «ANTIOCH», в 1924 г. продан турецкому правительству как «ANTALYA». Разобран в 1959


And the translation


“Emperor Nikolai the II” 1896 g.. Built by William Dobson of & Co, Newcastle (England). A set of 75 freight-and-passenger twin-screw steamships was ordered in 1895. This one was launched on 15/28 February 1896 and was transferred to the customer. Joined the Murmansk Line, in the winter with loads of fish. In Peterburg beginning 1907. Repairs in the Layskom dock (mouth of the northern Dvina). In May 1917 it is renamed “Mikhail Sidorov”. In August 1918 it was taken by Englishmen and transferred to the company “C G Wilkinson, Newcastle”; and it is soon retired and in 1922 sold to "Egypt of & Levant SS Co Ltd” (Eng T. Bowen Rees & Co) as “ANTIOCH”. In 1924, it was sold to Turkish government as “ANTALYA”. It was dismantled in 1959

Ellinis
08-07-2009, 21:52
Mε λίγο ψάξιμο να και η φωτογραφία του ΑΝΤΙΣΣΑ ως Ρωσικό Lomonosov:
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Βρήκα και τα σινιάλα της Egypt & Levant, από βιβλιαράκι των Lloyds:
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Nicholas Peppas
13-07-2009, 03:35
Mε λίγο ψάξιμο να και η φωτογραφία του ΑΝΤΙΣΣΑ ως Ρωσικό Lomonosov:
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Βρήκα και τα σινιάλα της Egypt & Levant, από βιβλιαράκι των Lloyds:
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Exairetikh fwtografia! Bravo!

Nicholas Peppas
25-12-2012, 21:00
Το Αντισσα οπως παρουσιαζεται στο http://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/L-Ships/lomonosoff1891.html




Name:
LOMONOSOFF


Type:
Passenger Cargo ship


Launched:
27/12/1890


Completed:
03/1891


Builder:
William Dobson & Co


Yard:
Walker


Yard Number:
41


Dimensions:
977grt, 480nrt, 226.5 x 30.0 x 149ft


Engines:
2 x T3cyl (12.5, 20 & 33 x 24ins), 121nhp


Engines by:
Hawthorn, Leslie & Co Ltd, Newcastle


Propulsion:
2 x Screws


Construction:
Steel


Reg Number:




History:




03/1891
Archangel-Mourman Steam Navigation Co, Arkhangelsk


1920
W Mathwin & Son, Newcastle


1922
Egypt & Levant SS Co Ltd (T Bowen Rees & Co), Newcastle


1922
Renamed ANTISSA



1924
Administration de Nav a Vapeur Turque, Istanbul; renamed ANTALIA


1930
Turkiye Seyrisefain Idaresi, Istanbul


1934
Denizyollari Idaresi, Istanbul


1938
Denizbank - Denizyollari Idaresi, Istanbul


1940
TC Munakalat Vekaleti Devlet Deizyollari Isleteme UM, Istanbul


1952
Denizcilik Bankasi TAO, Istanbul


1955
Broken up








Comments:
18/02/1920: Sailed from Arkhangelsk under control of escaping British and





Belgian soldiers





1955: Broken up at Istanbul





Και εδω μερικα δρομολογια της εποχης που δειχνουν οτι το πλοιο Αντισσα εκανε ταξιδια στην Αλεξανδρεια και Κρητη. Απο αριστερα, Εμπρος 29 Σεπτεμβριου 1922, Καθημερινη 30 Σεπτεμβριου 1922, Ελευθερον Βημα 1 Ιανουαριου 1923 και Σφαιρα 26 Μαρτιου 1923.


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Klaus
15-04-2013, 16:06
Some views of LOMONOSOV of Archangel-Mourman Steam Navigation Co.

Nicholas Peppas
15-04-2013, 19:11
Some views of LOMONOSOV of Archangel-Mourman Steam Navigation Co.
Thank you so much! And so we know now how Antissa looked...

Ellinis
04-08-2014, 19:07
Μια φωτογραφία του πλοίου όταν ταξίδευε μεταξύ Αρχάγγελου και Νορβηγίας. Tότε μετέφερε 16 επιβάτες α' θέσης, 28 β' θέσης και 500 γ΄θέσης.

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πηγή (http://lexicon.dobrohot.org/index.php/%22%D0%9B%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9D%D0%9E%D0%A1%D0%9 E%D0%92%22)

Μια περιγραφή των δρομολογίων των δυο πλοίων της Ατμοπλοΐας Ρηζ τον Απρίλη του 1924.
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Nicholas Peppas
26-12-2016, 01:32
Το LOMONOSOV (στο βαθος) στον Αρχαγγελο της Ρωσσιας το 1894. Ομορφο πλοιο!

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