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Επιστροφή στο Forum : Ποσειδών (των McDowall & Barbour) [Poseidon, Gothenburg, Celt]



Nicholas Peppas
03-08-2009, 05:33
One of the first ships of McDowall & Barbour, Poseidon had a very long and distinguished career, first as Celt, then as Gothenburg, again as Celt and then as Poseidon. She lasted probably 70-75 years!

Here Miramar is incorrect and has only scattered information that does not give her whole career



IDNo: 5612288 Year: 1855
Name: CELT Launch Date: 9.55
Type: Cargo ship Date of completion: 28.9.55
Flag: GBR Keel:
Tons: 551 Link:
DWT: Yard No:
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: Country of build:
Beam: Builder: Lungley
Material of build: Location of yard: Rotherhithe
Number of screws/Mchy/ Speed(kn):
Subsequent History: 64 GOTHENBURG - 75 CELT - 91 POSSIDON - 10 POSEIDON
Disposal Data: deleted 14 (from LR 1932)


Of course it is NOT correct she was deleted in 1914! Also this information might be confusing her with another Celt built in 1854 in England and renamed Gothenburg in the 1860s! This latter ship is quite famous because she became one of teh most famous Australian shipwrecks of the late 1800s.

Misinformation appears everywhere. Gerlina Harlaftis lists teh ship at 363 tons, which is far from correct.

Celt was built in 1855 by Charles Lungley & Co. at Deptford Green in London. She had a tonnage of 531 tons, a length of 54.3 m, a width of 7.6 m, and a service speed of 9.3 knots. Unfortunately, soon after her completion, she was requisitioned by the British Navy for use during the Crimean War.

Released in October 1856, she sailed for the Union Line on December 24, 1856 from Southampton, england to Rio de Janeiro but was forced to return to Cowes Roads because of engine trouble. She left again on December 31, 1856 but had to return to Southampton on January 3, 1857 because she sprang a leak and the voyage was consequently cancelled. All this is well discussed in Bonsor's book over three pages!

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On May 17, 1857 she sailed from Liverpool to South America and made two round voyages. In October 1857 she made a sailing to Cape Town with the mail completing the voyage in 43 days.

In 1862 she was sold to Charles Lungley as part payment for the larger mail ships he was building. Subsequently she was sold to Balnerre of Rotterdam and renamed Gothenburg.

In 1875, she was purchased by J. Meek of Newcastle, renamed Celt and had compound engines and new boilers installed. Her new speed was 13.6 knots.

In 1885 she was under the ownership of Thames & Bristol Trading Co. Ltd of London.

Nicholas Peppas
03-08-2009, 05:48
One of the first ships of McDowall & Barbour, Poseidon had a very long and distinguished career, first as Celt, then as Gothenburg, again as Celt and then as Poseidon. She lasted probably 70-75 years!

In 1891 she was purchased by McDowall & Barbour Line which became later the Hellenic Steam Navigation Co. She was named Poseidon.

Here is the complete text of an 1895 article by Konstantinos Skokos published in his Imerologion tou Skokou (The Diary of Skokos). The article presents the early years of John McDowall, how the McDowall & Barbour company was started and othet information. Then it clearly states the five most important ships of the company in the early days, Athena, Margarita, Thetis, Hera, and of course Poseidon!

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Nicholas Peppas
03-08-2009, 06:07
Here is a complete schedule of the company in 1909

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In 1910 she was acquired by J. Potamianos of Constantinople in 1910 and as such she did a large number of passenger routes both in the Ottoman Empire and later in Greece. J. Potamianos was Constantinople-based. I do not know if he was related to the Greek family, but he is listed in A history of Greek-owned shipping by Gelina Harlaftis (Appendix 4.14) as a Greek shipowner of passenger ships in 1914 with ... one ship of 604 tons, without doubt the Poseidon!

Here is a schedule from August 5, 1920... And what a schedule: From Piraeus to Chalkis, around Euvoia and the Sporades all the way to Kymi and then ... non stop to Smyrna!

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And then another one on May 29, 1921 to Zante, Lixouri and Argostoli!

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In 1933 her name seems to have been deleted from the Lloyd Register of Shipping.

The closest I have to a photo of Poseidon is a photo of another Charles Lungley ship of the same period and same tonnage!

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Ellinis
11-04-2010, 20:18
Here is a schedule from August 5, 1920... And what a schedule: From Piraeus to Chalkis, around Euvoia and the Sporades all the way to Kymi and then ... non stop to Smyrna!

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And then another one on May 29, 1921 to Zante, Lixouri and Argostoli!

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Nίκο, το ποιό πιθανό είναι τα δρομολόγια αυτά να αφορούν αυτό το Ποσειδών (http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=72964&highlight=poseidon). Αυτό αναφέρεται και στις λίστες των ελληνικών πλοίων τόσο του 1914 όσο και του 1919, ενώ το Ποσειδών του Γ.Ποταμιάνου δεν αναφέρεται πουθενά.

Ellinis
12-09-2010, 17:59
Το ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝ θα μπορούσε να έχει αποφύγει την "αφάνεια" μιας και ήταν το πλοίο που τον Απρίλιο του 1899 έκανε δύο από τις πρώτες "κρουαζιέρες" που είναι καταγεγραμμένες.
Μια προς Ιθάκη-Κεφαλλονιά στις 11/4 και μια προς τις Κυκλάδες δέκα μέρες αργότερα.

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Nicholas Peppas
12-09-2010, 18:58
Το ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝ θα μπορούσε να έχει αποφύγει την "αφάνεια" μιας και ήταν το πλοίο που τον Απρίλιο του 1899 έκανε δύο από τις πρώτες "κρουαζιέρες" που είναι καταγεγραμμένες.
Μια προς Ιθάκη-Κεφαλλονιά στις 11/4 και μια προς τις Κυκλάδες δέκα μέρες αργότερα.

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Ο προαναφερομενος πριγκηψ της Εσσης ηταν ο Φρειδερικος Καρολος της Εσσης, πρωτος ξαδελφος της βασιλισσης Λουιζας της Δανιας, μητερας του Γεωργιου του πρωτου της Ελλαδος.

Οσο για τον Wilhelm Dörpfeld, οσοι εχουν σπουδασει αρχαιολογια τον θυμονται ως εκεινον που επεμενε οτι η Ιθακη του Οδυσσεα και το παλατι του ηταν στο Νυδρι της Λευκαδος. Φυσικα, πιο πριν συμετειχε στις ανασκαφες της Tροιας με τον Heinrich Schliemann.

Το 1896 ιδρυσε την Γερμανικη Σχολη Αθηνων (http://www.dsathen.gr/) στην οποια πολλοι μαθητες της γενιας μου σπουδασαμε, και μαθαμε και γερμανικα

τοξοτης
23-02-2015, 23:10
Here is a complete schedule of the company in 1909

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In 1910 she was acquired by J. Potamianos of Constantinople in 1910 and as such she did a large number of passenger routes both in the Ottoman Empire and later in Greece. J. Potamianos was Constantinople-based. I do not know if he was related to the Greek family, but he is listed in A history of Greek-owned shipping by Gelina Harlaftis (Appendix 4.14) as a Greek shipowner of passenger ships in 1914 with ... one ship of 604 tons, without doubt the Poseidon!

Here is a schedule from August 5, 1920... And what a schedule: From Piraeus to Chalkis, around Euvoia and the Sporades all the way to Kymi and then ... non stop to Smyrna!

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And then another one on May 29, 1921 to Zante, Lixouri and Argostoli!

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In 1933 her name seems to have been deleted from the Lloyd Register of Shipping.

The closest I have to a photo of Poseidon is a photo of another Charles Lungley ship of the same period and same tonnage!

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Το παρακάτω < CELT > , κατά την ταπεινή μου γνώμη , μοιάζει με το < POSEIDON > που παράθεσε ο φίλος Nicholas.

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http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20C/slides/Celt-06.jpg

Ellinis
12-07-2015, 19:11
Το παρακάτω < CELT > , κατά την ταπεινή μου γνώμη , μοιάζει με το < POSEIDON > που παράθεσε ο φίλος Nicholas.

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http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20C/slides/Celt-06.jpg
Mοιάζει αλλά είναι το δεύτερο Celt ναυπήγησης 1866.
Να δούμε το πρώτο Celt - μετέπειτα ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝ:

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πηγή (http://www.bandcstaffregister.co.uk/page3321.html)

Και μια αναφορά σε δρομολόγηση του μεταξύ Σμύρνης-Σύρου-Μερσίνας το 1892:
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τοξοτης
12-07-2015, 19:50
Mοιάζει αλλά είναι το δεύτερο Celt ναυπήγησης 1866.
Να δούμε το πρώτο Celt - μετέπειτα ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝ:

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πηγή (http://www.bandcstaffregister.co.uk/page3321.html)

Και μια αναφορά σε δρομολόγηση του μεταξύ Σμύρνης-Σύρου-Μερσίνας το 1892:
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Απ ότι φαίνεται σαν POSEIDON του αφαιρέθηκε ο μεσαίος ιστός.

Ellinis
12-07-2015, 20:22
Απ ότι φαίνεται σαν POSEIDON του αφαιρέθηκε ο μεσαίος ιστός.
Μάλλον συγκρίνεις με λάθος πλοίο, αφού στο παρόν νήμα δεν έχει ανέβει φωτογραφία του ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝ...αλλά ενός άλλου πλοίου που είχε ναυπηγηθεί στο ίδιο ναυπηγείο την ίδια περίπου περίοδο.