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Θέμα: Δωροθέα Παξός [Ville de Quebec, Despina, Dorothea Paxos, Tanya, Medex]

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    Προεπιλογή Δωροθέα Παξός [Ville de Quebec, Despina, Dorothea Paxos, Tanya, Medex]

    ΔΩΡΟΘΕΑ ΠΑΞΟΣ!

    Τι παραξενο ονομα για ενα πλοιο, επιβατηγο και φορτηγο που παρουσιασθηκε στις θαλασσες μας το 1946! Και μας ειχε ξεφυγει μεχρι τωρα παρα την μεγαλη του ιστορια (σαν πολεμικο πλοιο) και παρα το γεγονος οτι το πρωτο του ονομα συνεχιζει να προκαλει τρομερες συζητησεις ακομη και σημερα στον Καναδα... Το ονομα με το οποιον το ξερουν αυτο το θρυλικο πλοιο οι φιλοι μας; Ville de Quebec! Και τι ονομα!

    Διαβαστε επι παραδειγματι μια απλη παρουσιαση (με μια δοση μεγαλου πατριωτισμου) εδω http://historywire.ca/en/article/21175

    After the Allies successfully landed in North Africa, Canadian corvettes became part of an escort effort to ensure that land forces were resupplied. Among these was the Ville de Quebec, built in Quebec City and commissioned 24 May 1942. On January 13, 1943, Ville de Quebec was escorting a 15-ship convoy in the Mediterranean when ASDIC operator Stanley Mill reported a submarine presence on the starboard bow. It was U-224. This submarine had been built in Kiel, Germany, and was commissioned on 20 June 1942. The U-boat had slipped through the narrow strait at Gibraltar, when clouds hid the moonlight. It had been sighted in that dangerous passage but escaped attack.

    The Ville de Quebec attacked immediately, firing a pattern of 10 depth charges in a diamond pattern, damaging the U-Boat to the degree that it had to surface. The corvette’s guns opened fire keeping the Germans from manning their deck gun. The captain ordered the ship to ram the submarine. The crew reported hearing “a grinding noise on our hull and then a loud explosion to our stern.” U-224 went down and exploded underwater. There was only one survivor, First Lieutenant Wolf- Dietrich Danckworth. The convoy ships blew their whistles in tribute. The sinking was widely publicized. The Ville de Quebec was visited by admirals and dignitaries, including Vice-Admiral Lord Louis Mountbatten and back in England by the King and Queen. The corvette's captain T/Lt.Cdr. A.R.E. Coleman of Montreal received the DSO.

    After the war the Ville de Quebec was decommissioned 6 July 1945, sold into mercantile service in 1946 and renamed Dispina. Its honoured name is still carried on one of Canada's patrol frigates today. One former corvette, HMCS (Her Majesty's Canadian Ship) Sackville was saved from the wrecker's yard and restored as a floating tribute to all the ships and men who had served. HMCS Sackville is now moored dockside in Halifax Harbour, in the bright white and blue dazzle camouflage paint scheme she once wore in the North Atlantic.
    Και δυο φωτογραφιες, πρωτα του πλοιου μας Ville de Quebec και μετα του HMCS Sackville το οποιο ειναι το τελευταιο πλοιο αυτης της σειρας

    Ville de Quebec K242-01.jpg

    Corvette_Sackville.jpg


    The only survivor of the entire class is HMCS Sackville (K181), owned by the Canadian Naval Memorial Trust. She was laid up in reserve in March 1946 and converted in 1952 to a research vessel for Canadian Department of Marine and Fisheries, a role she served in until the early 1980s when she was acquired by the trust.[13] She has been restored to her wartime appearance and serves the summer months as a museum ship on loan to the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic in Halifax, Nova Scotia, while wintering securely in the naval dockyard at CFB Halifax under the care of Maritime Forces Atlantic, Maritime Command. Sackville's presence in Halifax is considered very appropriate, given the port was an important North American convoy assembly port during the war. Sackville makes her first appearance each spring when she is towed by a naval tug from HMC Dockyard to a location off Point Pleasant Park on the first Sunday in May to participate in the Commemoration of the Battle of the Atlantic ceremonies held at a memorial in the park overlooking the entrance to Halifax Harbour. Sackville typically hosts several dozen RCN veterans on this day and has also participated in several burials at sea for dispersing the ashes of RCN veterans of the Battle of the Atlantic at this location.
    Corvette.jpg

    Πηγη: http://medlibrary.org/medwiki/Flower_class_corvette

    Το πλοιο ειχε παρουσιασθει απο εμας για πρωτη φορα εδω http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpos...87&postcount=2 οταν ειχαμε γραψει τηλεγραφικα τα εξης

    HMCS Ville de Quebec (K242)
    Sold in 1946 as the mercantile Despoina. Resold in 1947 as the mercantile Dorothea Paxos, in 1948 as Tanya, and in 1949 as Medex.

    Κατα το Miramar, ιδου η ιστορια του πλοιου

    IDNo: 6114008 Year: 1942
    Name: QUEBEC Keel: 7.6.41
    Type: Patrol frigate Launch Date: 12.11.41
    Flag: CAN Date of completion: 24.5.42
    Tons: 940 Link: 1824
    DWT: 1180 Yard No: 14
    Length overall: 62.6 Ship Design:
    LPP: 57.9 Country of build: CAN
    Beam: 10.1 Builder: Morton Engr
    Material of build: Location of yard: Quebec
    Number of screws/Mchy/ Speed(kn): 1T-16
    Subsequent History: [1946 cv to cargo ship, 771gt/450dw] - 42 VILLE DE QUEBEC - 46 DISPINA - 47 DOROTHEA PAXOS - 48 TANYA - 49 MEDEX
    Disposal Data: BU La Seyne 22.1.52 after being laid up at Marseilles

    Name Tons Change Registered Owner
    QUEBEC 940 1942 Canadian Navy CAN
    VILLE DE QUEBEC 940 1942 Canadian Navy CAN
    DISPINA 771 1947
    DOROTHEA PAXOS 771 1947 Mediterranean
    TANYA 771 1947 Tanya Sg Corp
    MEDEX 771 1949 S.G.Economides
    Το πλοιο ναυπηγηθηκε απο την Morton Engineering σαν κορβεττα του Καναδικου ναυτικου. Ειχε 1.180 τοννους, μηκος 62,6 μετρων και πλατος 10,1 μετρων. Ονομασθηκε Ville de Quebec

    VdQ 2.jpg
    Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη Ellinis : 24-01-2014 στις 23:03

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    Προεπιλογή

    Ενδιαφεροντα στοιχεια εδω

    HMCS Ville de Quebec (K 242)
    Corvette of the Flower class



    HMCS Ville de Quebec during the war.
    Navy The Royal Canadian Navy
    Type Corvette
    Class Flower
    Pennant K 242
    Built by Morton Engineering and Dry Dock Co. (Quebec City, Quebec, Canada)
    Ordered
    Laid down 7 Jun 1941
    Launched 12 Nov 1941
    Commissioned 24 May 1942
    End service 6 Jul 1945
    Loss position

    History

    Decommissioned 6 July 1945.
    Sold into mercantile service in 1946 and renamed Dispina, renamed Dorothea Paxos in 1947 (Σχολιο γραφοντος: Το 1946, οχι το 1947), Tanya in 1948 and Medex in 1949. She was listed on Lloyd's Register until 1952.

    Commands listed for HMCS Ville de Quebec (K 242)


    Commander From To
    1 T/Lt.Cdr. Douglas George Jeffrey, DSO, RCNR 28 Apr 1942 29 Sep 1942
    2 T/Lt. Ian Hunter Bell, RCNVR 30 Sep 1942 11 Oct 1942
    3 T/Lt.Cdr. Albert Robert Ernmest Coleman, RCNR 12 Oct 1942 12 Jun 1943
    4 T/Lt. John LeMesurier Carter, RCNVR 13 Jun 1943 11 Mar 1944
    5 T/Lt. Colin Stinson Glassco, RCNVR 12 Mar 1944 1 May 1944
    6 T/A/Lt.Cdr. Henry Clifford Hatch, RCNVR 2 May 1944 6 Jul 1945

    Notable events involving Ville de Quebec include:

    28 Oct 1942

    HMCS Alberni (Lt. I.H. Bell, RCNVR) and HMCS Ville de Quebec (T/Lt.Cdr. A.R.E. Coleman, RCNR) together pick up 81 survivors from the British whale factory ship Sourabaya that was torpedoed and sunk the previous day in the North Atlantic in position 54º32'N, 31º02'W by the German submarine U-436

    13 Jan 1943
    The German submarine U-224 was sunk in the western Mediterranean west of Algiers, in position 36º28'N, 00º49'E, by ramming and depth charges from the Canadian corvette HMCS Ville de Quebec (T/Lt.Cdr. A.R.E. Coleman, RCNR).
    Στο http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=86963.0
    βρηκαμε και τα εξης
    The Story of HMCS Ville de Quebec

    Most ships of the Canadian fleet in the Second World War were named after cities or towns, so it was natural that the name of Quebec should be chosen, but because it was already in use in the Royal Navy, the Canadian vessel became HMCS Ville de Quebec.

    She was a "Flower" class corvette, 203 feet long, 33 feet in the beam and drawing 13 feet of water. She was driven by one triple expansion reciprocating engine of 2750 horse-power giving her a top speed of sixteen knots. She was armed with one 4-inch gun, one 2-pounder pom-pom and two 0.5 inch machine guns. The latter were replaced after some time by six 20mm Oerlikon guns. The anti-submarine weapons were depth-charges launched from four throwers or rolled over the stern through two traps.

    Ville de Quebec was built by the Morton Engineering and Dry Dock Co. in her namesake city. Her keel was laid on June 7, 1941, she was launched on November 12, completed and commissioned of May 24, 1942. She sailed for Halifax on June 6, and after a brief period for final additions to her equipment and some training for her crew, she sailed on her first operational cruise on July 6. Allocated to the Western Local Escort Force, her duties took her south to Boston or New York and north to St. John's, Newfoundland, escorting convoys. The tide of war, however, was on the turn and in the fall Ville de Quebec was ordered overseas to take part in Operation TORCH, the allied invasion of North Africa.


    HMCS VILLE DE QUEBEC

    Battle of the Atlantic 1942-1945
    Gulf of St Lawrence 1942
    Mediterranean 1943
    English Channel 1944-1945

    It is actually comforting to hear that you understand the connection between the past and present VILLE DE QUEBEC. Few outside of the "Naval Family' do. Today's ships still carry the Battle Honours of their predecessors and for some of us, the salute we give when crossing the brow is as much for the flag as for the memory of those who never came home yet contributed to the earning of those Honours.

    As well, so you know, the original Flower class corvette HMCS VILLE DE QUEBEC (K242) was not simply 'sold for scrap'. She served as a merchant ship post World War II:
    Dispina-1946;
    Dorothea Paxos - 1947;
    Tanya - 1948; and
    Medex - 1949
    and remained on Lloyd's Registry until 1952! (Under which flags, unfortunately, I do not know) (Σχολιο γραφοντος: Με Ελληνικη σημαια φιλε μας)
    Και αλλες φωτογραφιες του παλιου Ville de Quebec

    Ville de Quebec K242-03.jpg Ville de Quebec K242-04.jpg Ville de Quebec K242-06.jpg Ville de Quebec K242-07.jpg
    http://www.photoship.co.uk/
    Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη Ellinis : 24-01-2014 στις 23:05 Αιτία: συγχώνευση διαδοχικών μηνυμάτων ίδιας ημέρας-ιδίου θέματος

  3. #3

    Προεπιλογή

    Το 1946 το πλοιο πουληθηκε σε αγνωστο Ισραηλινο εφοπλιστη, αλλαξε ονομα και εγινε το Dispina. Τοτε μετετραπη σε φορτηγο 771 τοννων με λιγες καμπινες για επιβατες. Μετα απο τρεις μηνες αγορασθηκε απο την Ελληνικη εταιρεια Pithis Mediterranean Line της Αλεξανδρειας και ονομασθηκε Δωροθεα Παξος. Η Pithis Mediterranean Line ηταν μια απο τις ναυτιλιακες με μεγαλη παραδοση. Η οικογενεια Πειθη προηρχετο απο την Χιο οπου στην περιοδο 1915−40 ειχαν την εταιρεια Pithis and Chryssakis


    Το Δωροθεα Παξος αρχισε να κανει δρομολογια απο Πειραια για την Αλεξανδρεια με ενδιαμεσα λιμανια στην Κυπρο και Παλαιστινη. Κατ αυτον τον τροπο, το πλοιο Δωροθεα Παξος μπηκε στα ιδια δρομολογια οπως το Καδιω http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=62462, το Μαραθων http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=78241, το Σαλαμις http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=78244, το Δολορες http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=76063, το Τερψιχορη http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=76018 και το Νισυρος http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=68247 που εκαναν αντιστοιχα δρομολογια την ιδια εποχη. Εδω μια διαφημισις στο Εμπρος απο τις 22 Μαιου 1946!

    19460522 Dorothea Paxos.jpg

    Το 1947 το πλοιο αλλαξε παλι ονομα και εγινε το Τanya της εταιρειας Tanya Shipping Co της Ολλανδιας. Το 1948 πηγε στον Οικονομιδη και εγινε το Medex. Χανουμε τα ιχνη του το 1952...

    Ακομη δεν μπορω να καταλαβω γιατι διαλυθηκε ενα καλο πλοιο σαν κι αυτο μεσα σε 10 χρονια, αντι να χρησιμοποιηθει στην εσωτερικη ακτοπλοια οπως το Δεσποινα και τοσες αλλες παλιες κορβεττες....
    Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη Nicholas Peppas : 08-07-2010 στις 02:35

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    Προεπιλογή

    Οπως ειπα παρα πανω, προ 16ετιας ο Καναδας εφτιαξε ενα καινουριο πλοιο με το ονομα Ville de Quebec... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Vi...A9bec_(FFH_332)

    VdQ.jpg

    Το πλοιο το υποδεχθηκαν με μεγαλη χαρα οι πατριωτες Καναδοι, ιδιως οι βετερανοι του Δευτερου Παγκοσμιου Πολεμου.... Αλλα μια κακομοιρα δημοσιογραφος (Linsey Cole) εκανε το μεγαλο λαθος να γραψει αρθρο λεγοντας οτι το πλοιο ηταν... 63 ετων! Οπως καταλαβαινετε οι αντιδραση των βετερανων ηταν αμεση και πολυ αρνητικη...

    http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=86963.0

    By Lindsey Cole
    The Oshawa Express


    The HCMS Ville De Quebec is making its way to Oshawa in late September. Councillor Robert Lutczyk says there will be around 220 sailors aboard the massive ship as well as a 20-crew support. It will be reminiscent of the HMCS Charlottetown, which came to Oshawa last year.“It’s exciting to have a ship like that,” he says, adding it will be free to tour at the Oshawa harbour. Last year, thousands came to see the HMCS Charlottetown and he expects it to be the same this September.

    The Ville De Quebec is 203 feet long, 33 feet in the beam and draws 13 feet of water. It was built by the Morton Engineering and Dry Dock Co., states the Navy Forces website. The ship was completed and commissioned on May 24, 1942. It is a piece of Canada’s history.
    “It’s a great opportunity for the residents to come and see their navy up close.”
    Apparently Lindsay Cole didn't do her homework properly... I won't even touch the fact she has what one could discern as HMCS preceded by "The."


    History

    The Story of HMCS Ville de Quebec

    Most ships of the Canadian fleet in the Second World War were named after cities or towns, so it was natural that the name of Quebec should be chosen, but because it was already in use in the Royal Navy, the Canadian vessel became HMCS Ville de Quebec.

    She was a "Flower" class corvette, 203 feet long, 33 feet in the beam and drawing 13 feet of water. She was driven by one triple expansion reciprocating engine of 2750 horse-power giving her a top speed of sixteen knots. She was armed with one 4-inch gun, one 2-pounder pom-pom and two 0.5 inch machine guns. The latter were replaced after some time by six 20mm Oerlikon guns. The anti-submarine weapons were depth-charges launched from four throwers or rolled over the stern through two traps.

    Ville de Quebec was built by the Morton Engineering and Dry Dock Co. in her namesake city. Her keel was laid on June 7, 1941, she was launched on November 12, completed and commissioned of May 24, 1942. She sailed for Halifax on June 6, and after a brief period for final additions to her equipment and some training for her crew, she sailed on her first operational cruise on July 6. Allocated to the Western Local Escort Force, her duties took her south to Boston or New York and north to St. John's, Newfoundland, escorting convoys. The tide of war, however, was on the turn and in the fall Ville de Quebec was ordered overseas to take part in Operation TORCH, the allied invasion of North Africa.
    In any case, VDQ is going to Oshawa in September. I hope she stops off at RMC to give us lowly NCdts a quick tour.
    Well done to the Oshawa Express...you have a star reporter there....

  5. #5
    Εγγραφή
    Dec 2007
    Περιοχή
    Αθήνα
    Μηνύματα
    10.509

    Προεπιλογή

    Όταν το πλοίο ονομαζόταν MEDEX και ανήκε στον Σ.Οικονομίδη έκανε ταξίδια με εκτοπισμένους εβραίους προς την Παλαιστίνη. Παρακάτω δυο σχετικά αποσπάσματα:
    December 7, 1948
    With the departure for Israel today of 328 Jewish refugees from Italian displaced persons camps, officials said the last mass migration of DP's living in Italy was completed. The DP's sailed on the Italian steamship Medex
    March 10, 1949A group of several hundred Jewish displaced persons from Italy and Czechoslovakia sailed today aboard the S.S. "Medex" from the Italian port of Naples for Israel.

    πηγή

  6. #6
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    Dec 2007
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    10.509

    Προεπιλογή

    Να δούμε και μια φωτογραφία του πλοίου στην Ελλάδα, προφανώς ως ΔΕΣΠΟΙΝΑ και μόλις έχει έρθει στον Πειραιά αφού ακόμη έχει το καναδέζικο διακριτικό στα πλευρά του.

    dorothea paxos at Pireaus.jpg
    πηγή

    Και μια καταχώρηση της εταιρία Πείθη που το απέκτησε το 1947.
    pithis.jpg
    Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη Ellinis : 08-10-2017 στις 20:35

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    Εγγραφή
    Dec 2007
    Περιοχή
    Αθήνα
    Μηνύματα
    10.509

    Προεπιλογή

    Mια αναφορά στο MEDEX σαν μικρό, σκουριασμένο και κουρασμένο σκάφος

    we traveled to the town of Bari in southern Italy. Three days later we embarked on the “Medex”, a small ship, which was to take us to the shores of Israel. Even I, who never before sailed on a ship, could see how small, rusty, and worn-out that boat was. And we were two hundred youth on its deck! Despite our apprehension, our boat made its way across the Mediterranean, and after a week managed to get into the port of Haifa. πηγή
    Και η είδηση της πώλησης του πλοιου για σκραπ το 1952
    medex 1952.jpg
    Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη Ellinis : 05-05-2020 στις 13:59

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