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Θέμα: Κύκνος [Kyknos, Adelphic, USS Tourmaline, Sylvia]

  1. #11

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    Το όνομα του άλλου Ε/Γ είναι ''Υδρα''.Είμαι σίγουρος γι'αυτό γιατί διαθέτω κι εγώ το ίδιο κάρτ ποστάλ και κάπου διαφαίνεται και το ''πρακτορείο'' που φέρει και το ίδιο όνομα......Αρα και τα δύο πλοία ανήκαν στην ίδια εταιρεία ''Σαρωνικός''.Εξ'ού και το λογότυπο ή το σινιάλο κατά τη ναυτική ορολογία.

  2. #12

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    Τα στοιχεία που παραθέτεις και οι φωτο είναι εκπληκτικά...Σύμφωνα με πηγές του βουλευτή Μαγνησίας Χρήστου Αντωνίου...το ''Κύκνος''υπήρξε το κότερο του τότε Δημάρχου Νέας Υόρκης Fiorino de la Guardia και το 1946 κατέπλευσε στην Ελλάδα φορτωμένο με τρόφημα και βοήθεια κι έπειτα δρομολογήθηκε για πρώτη φορά στη γραμμη Βόλου Κύμης-Αγ.Κωνσταντίνου-Σποράδων.
    Ηταν γρήγορο και καλοτάξιδο.Ο πρώτος του καπετάνιος ήταν ο Παναγιώτης Μάρλας και μετά ο επιδέξιος και συμπαθής στο κοινό του Βόλου Κυριάκος Μαστροκόλιας που το έκανε στην ''κυριολεξία'' κομπολόϊ.Εμείς δεν είχαμε παρά να θαυμάζουμε έκπληκτοι τις ιδιαίτερες οδηγικές του ικανότητες και να επιδιώκουμε ταξίδι με το ''Κύκνος''...τότε φαντάσου... δεν ήμουν παρά 2,5 ετών...

  3. #13

    Προεπιλογή The history of Kyknos

    KYKNOS Part 1

    I wanted to start a thread on Kyknos some time a go but my friends went faster than me… So here is now my whole document about one of the most graceful passenger ships that have worked the Greek seas…

    She was built as Sylvia at Bath Iron Works Corporation in Bath, Maine, USA. See also http://www.hazegray.org/shipbuilding/biw2.htm She was built after a standard 190 ft stock yacht structure. She was built for L.G. Thompson of Gielow Co and delivered on July 2, 1930. Her length was 51.6 m, her width 8.1 m, her tonnage 503 tons and her service speed 13 knots.

    Pictures of Sylvia are rare. However, I have been able to find one in an obscure site of Charlevoix, Lake Michigan, (see http://www.charlevoixlibrary.org/res...es-vol6-10.htm), where Sylvia and one of her sisters are discussed as follows.

    Kenkora Ii and Sylvia.jpg

    Pictured above is the "KENKORA II," anchored in Charlevoix's Round Lake Harbor. To the right, at her home dock, the "SYLVIA." The "SYLVIA" and the "KENKORA II" were two of five diesel-powered sister ships, built on speculation, and essentially to the same design, by the Bath Iron Works of Bath, Maine, in the early Thirties. The over-all length of each ship was slightly more than 190 feet, with a displacement of 396 tons.
    The first to be built was the "PLACIDA," bought by Harry G. Haskell.
    The "SYLVIA" was the second to be built and was bought by Logan Thomson of Cincinnati, Ohio. Charlevoix was her home port.
    The third ship was the "KENKORA II," bought by Kenneth G. Smith of Chicago.
    The fourth was the "TRUDIONE," bought by Ross W. Judson.
    The fifth and last to be built was the "ALETES." She was still in stock at the start of World War II, when she was taken into the British service.
    The other four were taken by the U.S. government shortly after our entry into the war.
    While at Charlevoix, Lake Michigan, her skipper was Roy Ranger. At that time, she was listed as "the luxury yacht owned by Logan Thompson, President of Champion Paper and Fiber Co". Roy Ranger was a boat builder at Charlevoix, Charlevoix County, between 1899 and 1913. Ranger, who was in his eighties by 1958, was said by maritime journalist William Ratigan to be the"Last of the Mackinaw Boat Builders". One of his boats, the Shoodle, was built for John P. Wilson of the Chicago Club at Charlevoix, in the 1890s, and was still in use in 1958. It served as a work boat in the harbor and occasionally as a judge's stand for sailing races on Lake Charlevoix.

    And here is her sister Placida, again a 190 ft yacht!

    Placida.jpg

    Also a rare picture of her other sister Trudione

    Trudione.jpg

    Finally, the fifth sister Aletes during construction in Bath (from Andrew C Toppan, Bath Iron Works) . All of these were exactly the same size as our Kyknos (Sylvia)

    Aletes 1930.jpg
    Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη Nicholas Peppas : 20-03-2009 στις 15:50

  4. #14

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    KYKNOS Part 2

    Another Bath Iron Works site http://shipbuildinghistory.com/histo...ctive/bath.htm indicates she was sold to the US Navy in 1941 and named Tourmaline As such she will be known also as PY 20)

    In the site http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/t7/tourmaline.htm we find more about her history

    Another site http://www.mindat.org/article.php/155/USS+Tourmaline+(PY-20)+1941-1945
    with pretty much the same things writes:

    Sylvia—was purchased by the Navy on 16 May 1941 from Logan G. Thomson. She entered the Marine Basin Co., Brooklyn, N.Y., on 23 June, for conversion before proceeding to the New York Navy Yard where she was commissioned as Tourmaline (PY-20) on 19 September 1941, Lt. Comdr. Charles E. Judge, USNR, in command.

    The converted yacht departed New York harbor on 2 October and arrived at Norfolk, Va., two days later. She operated out of Hampton Roads during the two remaining months that the United States remained technically at peace. After Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, she conducted her initial war patrols off the east coast based at Norfolk and at Charleston, S.C.

    The early part of the year 1942 found Tourmaline operating between Norfolk and Key West, Fla. On 29 June, she departed Key West to escort a convoy of merchant vessels to Norfolk. En route back toward Charleston, she assisted Landsdowne (DD-486) to pursue an underwater contact; but neither ship managed to locate the suspected U-boat. The yacht arrived at Charleston on 5 July. Her next mission called for her to escort a convoy to the British West Indies. She reached Trinidad with her charges on 26 July and patrolled in that vicinity through early August before sailing for Key West on the 12th of that month.

    After cruises on patrols in Florida waters, she departed Key West on 27 October—in company with SC-499, SC-641, and SC-675—in escort five merchantmen to Havana, Cuba. Tourmaline next headed for New York, where she arrived on 7 November. She returned to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, on the 19th, establishing a pattern which lasted through much of her subsequent service in which she escorted convoys between New York and ports in the Caribbean. On 13 December 1942, five days out of New York, Tourmaline's underwater sound gear picked up a strong metallic echo. She speeded to attack and dropped three depth charges before her steering gear was damaged. Forced to steer with her engines, the escort broke off the chase, and her quarry escaped.

    After the damage was repaired, Tourmaline resumed escort duty and continued convoy work until 25 January 1944. On that day, the yacht received orders to report to the 1st Naval District, where she joined the Naval Local Defense Force based at Boston, Mass. For the remainder of 1944 and into June 1945, Tourmaline patrolled the waters off the Massachusetts coast through the end of the war in the Atlantic.

    Decommissioned on 18 July 1945, Tourmaline was temporarily laid-up at the Mystic Shipbuilding Company and Repair Yard, East Boston, Mass. Struck from the Navy list on 13 August 1945, she was transferred to the War Shipping Board, Maritime Commission, on 3 January 1946.

    On 23 January 1946, Andrew M. Embiricos and Manuel E. Kouloukoundis, of the Greek War Relief Association, Inc., purchased the yacht under its original name, Sylvia.
    It must be noted (although not mentioned above) that in 1942 and 1943 she had been loaned to the country of Equador where she had patrolled the waters from Equador to the Galapagos Islands.

    Here is a photograph of the USS Tourmaline (PY-20) at Brooklyn in August 1941, in dark early-wartime camouflage.
    Tourmaline 1941.jpg
    Then in a 1943 Navy photograph
    Tourmaline 2.jpg
    Finally on Nov 23, 1944 in a photograph by Robert Hurst.
    Tourmaline 3.jpg

    A misconception
    Also it must be noted that the story that one of the earliest acts of the renamed Sylvia when she was purchased by Embiricos and Kouloukoundis and before leaving for Greece (can you imagine our Kyknos doing a transatlantic voyage? Incredible!) was to be loaded with food, clothes and other necessary items provided by UNRA, the AHEPA, the Greek Americans of New York and others for the Greeks in Greece who were suffering... The former mayor of New York Fiorello (not Fiorino as named above) La Guardia (1882-1947) contributed in this effort... Somehow, this event was transformed into the legend that Sylvia (the future Kyknos) was La Guardia's yacht! Se non e vero e ben trovato!
    Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη Nicholas Peppas : 20-03-2009 στις 15:42

  5. #15

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    KYKNOS Part 3

    Between 1946-47 several sources believe that the ship was given the name Adelphic but we do not know if she actually served under this name. It is possible that Embiricos changed her name for the AHEPA/UNRA trip with help for Greece.
    Kyknos was given this name in 1947 when she became part of the Greek passenger fleet, mostly for the company Saronikos.

    For a short period (1948-49) she served Argosaronikos. After 1950, she was mostly in the Evoikos route, often with extension to Sporades. Her most wonderful picture is this one by Hippokrates Zemeris, a well known Greek photographer

    Kyknos 1950.jpg

    Another one attributed to Harris Alexandris can be found in one of the earlier sites. http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1320.htm

    Kyknos Alexandris.jpg

    Other information can be found in the wonderful http://www.skopelosweb.gr/kuknos/ site where one can admire also this 1970 picture in Skopelos.

    Kyknos6.jpg

    Finally, she was laid up at Volos between 1974-79 and scrapped
    in 1979.

    Correction In http://www.koutouzis.gr/ploia.htm Philippos is presented as Kyknos!

  6. #16

    Προεπιλογή Αναγνώριση ''Κύκνος''

    Καλή σου μέρα Καπετάνιε.Βέβαια αυτό είναι και στις μεγάλες του δόξες....Πάντος εγώ θυμάμαι ότι πριν πλευρίσει στην προκυμαία σταματούσε σχεδόν στη μέση του όρμου και το πλησίαζαν βενζίνες για να παίρνουν τους επιβάτες....Ωραίες εποχές.....

  7. #17

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    KYKNOS Part 4

    Surprise...A late night addition from the http://www.michaellindley.net/PressRoom.html site

    Here is what the site says

    The EmmaLee is based upon ships such as the Sylvia (above) shown on Round Lake in Charlevoix, Michigan before the War. The Navy commissioned the ship at the outset of World War II and it never returned to the Great Lakes. The last known records of the Sylvia had it running trade routes in the Greek Islands in the 1960's. It's current condition and whereabouts remain unknown.
    Sylvia0.jpg

    A misconception
    Also it must be noted that the story that one of the earliest acts of the renamed Sylvia when she was purchased by Embiricos and Kouloukoundis and before leaving for Greece (can you imagine our Kyknos doing a transatlantic voyage? Incredible!) was to be loaded with food, clothes and other necessary items provided by UNRA, the AHEPA, the Greek Americans of New York and others for the Greeks in Greece who were suffering... The former mayor of New York Fiorello (not Fiorino as named above) La Guardia (1882-1947) contributed in this effort... Somehow, this event was transformed into the legend that Sylvia (the future Kyknos) was La Guardia's yacht! Se non e vero e ben trovato!
    Was Sylvia/Kyknos Fiorello La Guardia's yacht? I sincerely doubt it... The following site http://www.chxhistory.com/2008news/2008-04.htm clearly states that Sylvia was in the hands of her original owner and/or in Charlevoix, Lake Michigan from 1930-41 when she went to the US Navy.

    The Historical Society is presenting a very special program next month when Michael Lindley, author of the bestselling The Seasons of the EmmaLee, will speak about his new sequel titled On Past Horton Creek. Both novels are set in Charlevoix, the latest one in the 1940s and 50s and into the present day. Horton Creek continues the story of the McKendrys, the Comptons, and George Hansen as well as the love affair of Alex Clark and Sally Thomason and the return of the palatial yacht EmmaLee. The idea for this boat was inspired by the magnificent vessel Sylvia which called Charlevoix her home from 1930 to 1941 before she was called to war duty the next year.
    And by 1946, when Sylvia/Tourmaline was decommissioned from the US Navy, La Guardia was not mayor any more having stepped down in 1945.


    On 23 January 1946, Andrew M. Embiricos and Manuel E. Kouloukoundis, of the Greek War Relief Association, Inc., purchased the yacht under its original name, Sylvia. She was to be loaded with food, clothes and other necessary items provided by UNRA, the AHEPA, the Greek Americans of New York and others for the Greeks in Greece who were suffering...
    The National Greek War Relief Association chaired by Orthodox Archbishop Athenagoras and Spyros Skouras was formed in October 1940 within two weeks of the invasion of Greece. The goal of this association was to collect "Ten million dollars to procure foodstuffs, medical supplies and clothing." Mr. Skouras visited numerous Greek communities to urge the formation of local War Relief committees and by November 20, 1940 over 300 local committees had been established. During the next five months $3,336,700 was cabled to Greece for the purchase of ambulances, the building of bombproof shelters, the setting up of soup kitchen; workshops for refugees, and to furnish financial assistance to the destitute families of slain soldiers. The program functioned two and one half years and resulted in the shipment of more than 700,000 tons of food, clothing, medical supplies and other vital commodities, which were valued in excess of one hundred million dollars.

    I have now established that the name Adelphic (or Adelfikos in Greek) was given by the National Greek War Relief Association and was retained only for her trip to Greece. This trip took place in July 1946. Then, Adelphic was in Perama until purchased and revamped by Saronikos in May 1947.
    Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη Nicholas Peppas : 21-10-2009 στις 07:03

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