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Θέμα: Γλάρος [Glaros, Beryl, Lorna, Thessalia]

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    Νίκο, ο ΓΛΑΡΟΣ ήταν ένα πολύ ξεχωριστό καράβι. Δεν είναι τυχαίο οτι υπάρχει ενδιαφέρον ακόμη και σήμερα για την ιστορία του, και απο ανθρώπους που δεν είναι καραβολάτρες.

    Πριν 1-2 χρόνια, με είχε προσεγγίσει μια δημοσιογράφος που ήθελε να γράψει ένα άρθρο για το καράβι και έψαχνε πληροφορίες. Της είχα δώσει αν και για να είμαι ειλικρινής δεν περίμενα οτι θα πραγματοποιηθεί αλλά τελικά έπεσα έξω.
    Το άρθρο μπορεί να το διαβάσετε εδώ (η συμμετοχή μου ήταν στα ιστορικά στοιχεία - ποτέ δεν θα μπορούσα να γράψω τόσο "λογοτεχνικά" )

    Και για το οτι έχω κάνει λάθος στην ημερομηνία ναυπήγησης θα αυτομαστιγωθώ στο Σύνταγμα! :-P

    Στο άρθρο θα δείτε οτι ο ΓΛΑΡΟΣ έχει αποτελέσει και το θέμα του ομόνυμου ποιήματος της Ευτυχία Γερ. Μάστορα.

    Ο ΓΛΑΡΟΣ έχει μια ξεχωριστή λοιπόν θέση στο "πάνθεον" των ακτοπλοϊκών πλοίων.

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    This is an exceptional article about Glaros. I am glad you added it! Nikos

    Arh, do you have any "schedules" of Glaros to post?

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    Νίκο θα ψάξω για δρομολόγια, στο μεταξύ ας θυμηθούμε και τη απίστευτη φώτο που είχε ανεβάσει παλιότερα ο esperos. Το ΓΛΑΡΟΣ φαντάζει απίστευτα μικρό και παρακμιακό δίπλα στο ολοκαίνουργιο ΑΦΡΟΔΙΤΗ. Και πως να μη μοιάζει έχοντας πατήσει ήδη τα 60...
    Πάντως η μετασκευή εκμοντερνισμού του αφαίρεσε την αρχοντιά του.

    Παράθεση Αρχική Δημοσίευση από esperos Εμφάνιση μηνυμάτων
    Ακτή Ξαβερίου περίπου 1966. Το ΑΦΡΟΔΙΤΗ με σινιάλα ΕΟΤ το μετέπειτα ΣΤΕΛΛΑ ΩΚΕΑΝΙΣ, μαζί με ένα από τα δύο αδέλφια του, ενώ δεξιά το ΠΟΡΟΣ του Αργοσαρωνικού.

    APHRODITE.jpg

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    Το ΓΛΑΡΟΣ φαντάζει απίστευτα μικρό και παρακμιακό δίπλα στο ολοκαίνουργιο ΑΦΡΟΔΙΤΗ. Και πως να μη μοιάζει έχοντας πατήσει ήδη τα 60... Πάντως η μετασκευή εκμοντερνισμού του αφαίρεσε την αρχοντιά του.
    What a sad picture....

    By the way, I have discovered lots of pictures and items about Beryl No II of Lord Ivernclyde and Beryl No III which I could produce as they show a cut much closer to Glaros... But I am afraid they will be worthless for most people here. Your call

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    Νικόλα, το μεράκι μας για τα πλοία και την ιστορία τους μοιραζόμαστε εδώ. Μη το συζητάς, αν μπορείς, βάλε τις φωτογραφίες. Μην ξεχνάς ότι υπάρχουν, έστω και λίγοι, θαυμαστές των παλιών σκαριών.

    ΥΓ. Ελληνίς, αγνοούσα την ύπαρξη της φωτογραφίας του esperos. Σπάνιας ομορφιάς και ιστορικό κειμήλιο. thx
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    Προεπιλογή Glaros: Part 3

    The Mystery of the Early-Days Glaros (or Beryl)

    Well... The story has played the last 24 hours when Ellinis and I started summarizing the history of Glaros. We started with the usual Miramar summary
    Glaros was built by Scotts shipyard in Greenock in 1904. She was completed in October 1904 for Lord Inverclyde. She was a great looking yacht and her name was Beryl. She was renamed Lorna in 1911.
    She had 427 tons, length of 51.4 m, width of 7.7 m and her service speed was 13 knots. In Two Centuries of Shipbuilding by the Scotts at Greenock, we find a detailed presentation of the ship's character.
    In Parts 1 and 2, I went on to present her story including a nice oil painting of Luca Papaluca (1890-1936). But this painting (left side) does not match the later cut of Glaros (see previous page) or the cuts of other clipper-type yachts produced by Scott's in the same period. See for example the Tuscarora (right) that was built a few years earlier and had a similar appearance to Glaros...
    Beryl2.jpgTuscarora.jpg
    But the left picture was verified by Christie's where this painting was sold in 2005 http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/l...D=4607610&sid=
    Lot Notes
    Designed and built by Scott's of Greenock for Lord Inverclyde of Castle Wemyss in 1904, Beryl was a magnificent screw schooner which boasted a promenade deck of 92 feet amongst her appointments. Registered at 427 tons gross (207½ net and 484 Thames), she measured 168½ feet in length with a 25 foot beam and was engined by her builders. Sold to Lord Hollenden in 1913, who renamed her Lorna, she was hired for wartime service in September 1914 and spent the War, armed with 1-12pdr. and 1-6pdr., in the Auxiliary Patrol. Released by the Admiralty in December 1919, she was then sold to Sir Walter Preston, M.P., who was able to loan her to the Government again in September 1939 when the Second World War began. Mounting a single 12pdr. gun, she served initially as an Armed Boarding Vessel but is unrecorded after May 1941, perhaps due to enemy action.
    But, if not exactly the Glaros we know, could we at least verify how Beryl might have looked from another photo? It turns out that she had a sister, Grianaig, built to almost exactly the same specifications and mentioned very positively in the Two Centuries of Shipbuilding by the Scotts at Greenock. But no photo! In fact, there are photos (see http://www.jamd.com/search/?q=grianaig) but from inside the Grianaig, so we cannot judge the ship.

    We would have probably forgotten the matter if it were not for two or three additional items that created doubts ... In the Greek article by Glaros http://nikiana.wordpress.com/2008/10...%CF%85-%CE%BA/
    pointed out by Ellinis, Glaros is listed as having been built in 1913 as Beryl at Scott's in Greenock... Now that's funny! Miramar lists another Beryl belonging to Lord Inverclyde but she was named Beryl in 1926! And she was only 342 tons, i.e., much smaller than Glaros.

    Single Ship Report for "5165635" IDNo: 5165635 Year: 1913 Name: ADVENTURESS Launch Date: 12.10.12 Type: Yacht Date of completion: 2.13 Flag: GBR Keel:

    Tons: 342 Link: 1506 DWT:
    Yard No: 626 Length overall:
    Ship Design:
    LPP: 41.2 Country of build:
    Beam: 7.6 Builder: Hepple Material of build:
    Location of yard: South Shields Number of
    screws/Mchy/
    Speed(kn): 1T-

    Owner as Completed: N.C.Neill, Southampton Naval or paramilitary marking :
    A: 06 End:

    Subsequent History:

    21 EAGLE - 26 BERYL - 30 SCOTIA - 34 ANGLIA - 47 ITEA - 61 KAPETAN STRATIS - 63 POLYCHRONIS
    Was there another Beryl for the good Lord Invernclyde? Of course! And Miramar reports her... The grand yacht of the Prince of Monaco that Lord Invernclyde bought in 1914! But that was huge, 1,368 tons! Not Glaros!

    Single Ship Report for "1136662"
    IDNo: 1136662 Year: 1898 Name: PRINCESS ALICE II Launch Date: 27.11.97 Type: Yacht Date of completion: 4.98 Flag: MCO Keel:

    Tons: 1368 Link: 1611 DWT:
    Yard No: 631 Length overall:
    Ship Design:
    LPP: 76.5 Country of build: GBR Beam: 10.6 Builder: Laird Material of build:
    Location of yard: Birkenhead Number of
    screws/Mchy/
    Speed(kn): 1T-12

    Owner as Completed: H.R.H.The Prince of Monaco, Monaco Naval or paramilitary marking :
    A: * End: 1944
    Subsequent History:

    14 BERYL - 20 GEORGE WARD - 25 ARDITA II� - 27 ALICE
    Disposal Data:

    Probably scuttled Toulon area 8.44.
    .
    So, the good Lord Invernclyde is the link here and he had numerous yachts (you see, Beryl was his wife), So, which one is the Glaros?

    But before proceeding, there were two more facts that made Ellinis (especially him) and me doubt the oil painting. He wrote:

    Ίσως να ήταν το BERYL του 1913, κάτι που επίσης είναι ενδιαφέρων μιας και πέρασε και αυτό απο την ακτοπλοϊα τα πρώτα μεταπολεμικά χρόνια ως ΙΤΕΑ. Βέβαια στο Miramar έχει και ένα σωρό άλλα BERYL, όπως αυτό του 1906.
    .

    Now, the first one became Itea. The second http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuil...ip.asp?id=7475 was a very well known boat, the yacht of Tsar/King Ferdinand of Bulgaria, that I have no reason to believe became the Glaros, although she sure looked like the Glaros!

    Finally, there is another Greek piece of information. In the (first) edition of the Greek Encyclopedia Papyros Larousse and in the wonderfully done article on Aktoploia there is mention of all the Greek ships that year along with technical data. So, in Volume 2, page 290, Glaros is listed as having been built in 1913 (not 1904) and been 525 tons (not 427) and with speed of 12.5 knots. She is listed as a "reserve ship, efedriko".

    So, that's a cause for further digging...

    As I said before, the good Lord Invernclyde had numerous Beryl yachts, so, which one is the Glaros?

    Well in the late 1890s he had Capercailzie. In http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/l...jectID=4906343 it is stated that

    The steel screw schooner Capercailzie was designed and built by Barclay, Curle & Co. at Glasgow in 1892. Owned by Sir John Burns, Bart. [later the 1st Lord Inverclyde], of Castle Wemyss, Scotland, she was registered at 566 tons gross (308 net and 772 Thames), measured 229 feet in length with a 27 foot beam and was engined by her builders. Inherited by the 2nd Lord Inverclyde upon his father's death in 1900, he kept her until 1904 when she was sold to Mr. Davison Dalziel of Grosvenor Place, London. He retained her name and kept her until 1912 when she was sold to the Italian government who renamed her Archimede and employed her in a variety of roles as an armed patrol vessel. Captured by Austrian forces at Odessa in March 1918 but retaken by the Italians at Sevastopol that November, she was subsequently rearmed with 2-3in. guns and remained in service until scrapped in 1928.
    .

    Capercailzie was a nice yacht as you can see from this painting of Antonio De Simone (1860-1900) and by her picture from Skelmorlie - Original - Walter Smart History - 1968, a 1968-published history of the villages of Skelmorlie and Wemyss Bay, situated on Scotland's Firth, but she was not our Glaros. Besides, Lord Invernclyde sold it in 1904 to buy... you guessed it... his first Beryl, the one we think is our Glaros.

    Capercailzie.jpgCapercailzie1.jpg

    Now the only photo that might come close to the real thing is this photograph from Skelmorlie - Original - Walter Smart History - 1968
    It presents a small ship on Wemyss Bay, which of course was the seat and castle of the Lord Invernclyde!

    Wemyss Bay Pier and Kelly House.jpg

    (To be continued)
    Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη Ellinis : 19-01-2013 στις 16:14

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    Προεπιλογή The Mystery of the Early-Days Glaros (or Beryl)

    Glaros: Part 4

    The Mystery of the Early-Days Glaros (or Beryl)

    In late 1912, Lord Inverclyde needed a new yacht, so he proceeded to buy a very well known yacht, the Emerald! Here is her story as given by an auction house in association with a 2008 auction of an oil painting of this yacht done by Antonio de Simone (Italian, fl.1860-1900). See also
    http://www.invaluable.com/auction-lo...1-c-yag59kui9a

    Designed and built by Stephens on the Clyde in 1903, Emerald was owned by Sir Christopher [later Lord] Furness, a scion of one of northeast England's wealthiest industrial families. Registered at 694 tons gross (472 net & 797 Thames), she measured 212 feet in length with a 29 foot beam and sported a classic schooner rig with sails by Lapthorn & Ratsey. Constructed with two decks, the upper one of teak, and lit by electricity throughout, no expense was spared to fit her out and she was the epitome of luxury. Her excellent speed was the result of triple screws driven, most unusually at this early date, by three powerful Parsons' steam turbines; in every sense the acme of modernity, she was undoubtedly one of the finest yachts of her day.

    Another of her claims to fame was that she was the first turbine-powered vessel to cross the Atlantic when she was chartered by Jay Gould, the well-known American yachtsman, to use as his temporary home from which to watch the 1903 America's Cup races. After nine years' usage by Lord Furness, she was offered for sale after his death in November 1912 and purchased by Lord Inverclyde of Castle Wemyss who renamed her Beryl. Sadly, her new owner enjoyed her for only about a year as in December 1913, whilst lying at her mooring in the Gareloch, the yacht was boarded and set on fire by militant suffragettes and totally destroyed; newspaper reports at the time valued the loss at £40,000.
    So, the important parts here are that Lord Inverclyde bought the second Beryl after November 1912 and that poor vessel was lost a year later (see below). I know that some think that the second Beryl may have been salvaged but we have no such indication. In fact our friend http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuil...ip.asp?id=3475 makes it clear that that was her end!
    Fire in Beryl.jpg

    The second Beryl was a great yacht as the attached oil painting described above shows. But it is unlikely that she was the future Glaros despite the clipper style, etc. Her super structure was much different than Glaros
    Emerald then Beryl II.jpg

    So, where does this leave us? With three mystery photos:
    1. A photograph from http://www.scran.ac.uk/database/reco...searchdb=scran
    that presents "Lord Inverclyde's yacht 'Emerald' in Oban harbour during the Oban Regatta". When was that? September 12, 1912! So, it may have been the first Beryl and not the (new) Emerald! And the prow really looks like our Glaros... But then why was the good Lord with Emerald in September at the Oban Regatta if he bought her in November 1912? remember?
    After nine years' usage by Lord Furness, she was offered for sale after his death in November 1912 and purchased by Lord Inverclyde of Castle Wemyss who renamed her Beryl.
    No clue

    Sept 12 1912.jpg

    2. Two photographs from http://s170.photobucket.com/albums/u...%20INVERCLYDE/
    that present one of Lord Invernclyde's yachts. Further analysis of the Alexander Stephen records indicate that this may be the Emerald... Confusing.

    Beryl 6.jpgBeryl5.jpg

    So, I have no conclusion after all this research. I want to believe that tehe good Lord Inverclyde was attending the Oban regatta with his first Beryl and that the black and white photo we have here is that of the Beryl that truly became like (and looks like) Glaros, but the items from Emerald contradict me...
    Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη Nicholas Peppas : 23-03-2009 στις 17:14

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    Νίκο, εξαιρετική η παρουσίαση των θαλαμηγών του λόρδου Inverclyde. Απ’όσα έγραψες φαίνεται πως αυτός ο φουκαράς είχε τουλάχιστον πέντε θαλαμηγούς:
    • Τη Capercailzie από το 1900 ως το 1904
    • Το 1ο Beryl από το 1904 ως το 1913 που όλα δείχνουν πως είναι το ΓΛΑΡΟΣ
    • Το 2ο Beryl (ex-Emerald) που απέκτησε το 1913 και κάηκε την ίδια χρονιά
    • To 3ο Beryl (ex-Princess Alice II) από το 1914 ως το 1920
    Και υπάρχει και 4ο Beryl (ex-Eagle, Adventuress) που το Miramar δείχνει πως αποκτήθηκε από το λόρδο Inverclyde μεταθάνατον :shock: το 1923. Ίσως να είναι του διάδοχου του τίτλου; Αυτό το 4ο μας ήρθε στην Ελλάδα μεταπολεμικά ως ΙΤΕΑ.

    Από εκεί και πέρα υπάρχει και άλλο Beryl (αργότερα του Βούλγαρου τσάρου) αλλά αυτό δεν έχει καμία σχέση. Και αυτό έγινε ακτοπλοϊκό αργότερα στη Γαλλία ως Enez Eussa (φωτο εδώ).

    Οι τρεις τελευταίες φωτο, στο Oban και εν πλω πιστεύω ότι είναι του 3ου Beryl (ex-Emerald). Οι ομοιότητες με τον πίνακα του Emerald είναι πασιφανείς, η διάταξη των φιλιστρινιών, μέχρι και το διπλωμένο ιστίο πάνω από την πλώρη είναι κοινό. Τώρα πως γίνεται να είναι αυτό όταν δεν είχε αγοραστεί από το λόρδο ακόμα; Ίσως η ημερομηνία αγοράς ή ημερομηνία της φωτο να μην είναι σωστή.

    Για μένα το ερωτηματικό που παραμένει είναι το ποιο είναι το πλοίο του πίνακα του Luca Papaluca. Ξέρω ότι το Christies το παρουσιάζει σαν το 1ο Beryl (το Γλάρος δηλαδή) αλλά εμένα δεν μου ταιριάζει. Σίγουρα δεν είναι το 2ο ή το 3ο που είχαν πλώρη clipper, μήπως τελικά ήταν το 4ο; ¶μα βρούμε κάποια φωτο του Adventuress/Eagle/Ιτέα κλπ ίσως βρεθεί η άκρη στο νήμα.

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    Παράθεση Αρχική Δημοσίευση από Ellinis Εμφάνιση μηνυμάτων
    • Το 1ο Beryl από το 1904 ως το 1913 που όλα δείχνουν πως είναι το ΓΛΑΡΟΣ

    Οι τρεις τελευταίες φωτο, στο Oban και εν πλω πιστεύω ότι είναι του 3ου Beryl (ex-Emerald). Οι ομοιότητες με τον πίνακα του Emerald είναι πασιφανείς, η διάταξη των φιλιστρινιών, μέχρι και το διπλωμένο ιστίο πάνω από την πλώρη είναι κοινό. Τώρα πως γίνεται να είναι αυτό όταν δεν είχε αγοραστεί από το λόρδο ακόμα; Ίσως η ημερομηνία αγοράς ή ημερομηνία της φωτο να μην είναι σωστή.

    Για μένα το ερωτηματικό που παραμένει είναι το ποιο είναι το πλοίο του πίνακα του Luca Papaluca. Ξέρω ότι το Christies το παρουσιάζει σαν το 1ο Beryl (το Γλάρος δηλαδή) αλλά εμένα δεν μου ταιριάζει. Σίγουρα δεν είναι το 2ο ή το 3ο που είχαν πλώρη clipper, μήπως τελικά ήταν το 4ο; ¶μα βρούμε κάποια φωτο του Adventuress/Eagle/Ιτέα κλπ ίσως βρεθεί η άκρη στο νήμα.

    Μεγεθυνση της πρυμνης του Beryl απο τον πινακα του Papaluca
    Beryl g.jpg

    Ellinis: I thought it would be nice to find out what this Lord Inverclyde was doing... So, here is his biography from the 1909 Who's who of Scotland... http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/eyrwho/eyrwho0903.htm The italics are mine!
    LORD INVERCLYDE SECOND son of the first Lord Inverclyde, and grandson of Sir George Burns, Bart., the founder of the Cunard Line, James, Lord Inverclyde, is of long and honourable Glasgow descent. One great-grandfather, Dr. Burns, was minister of the Barony Parish for sixty-nine years, from 1770, while another, Dr. Cleland, was a magistrate of the city, and in 1807 laid the foundation stone of St. George's Church. His grand-uncle, James, and his grandfather, Sir George Burns, Bart., were founders not only of the well-known service of Irish steamers and of the West Highland service, but of the great Cunard Line. And his father, Sir John Burns, Bart., had the public services of his house recognised with a peerage in 1897, and became the first Lord Inverclyde. His Lordship was born at Glasgow in 1864, and educated at Repton. He is the principal Director of the shipping business of Messrs. G. & J. Burns, Limited, and takes a strong interest in everything connected with shipping. He was President of the Chamber of Shipping of the United Kingdom in 1899. Since 1900 he has been Chairman of the Glasgow Shipowners' Association, and is an Honorary Member of the Advisory Committee on New Lighthouse Works to the Board of Trade. He is a Director of the Cunard Steamship Co., Ltd., and of the Clydesdale Bank. Ltd. He is a member of the Glasgow Committee of Lloyds' Register, a representative of Glasgow on the London General Committee of Lloyds' Register, and a Director of the Clyde Steamship Owners' Association. He is an Associate of the Institute of Naval Architects and of the Scottish Institute of Engineers and Shipbuilders.
    He takes a part also in the religious and philanthropic life of the city, and is Chairman of the Glasgow City Mission.
    In the realm of sport he is an enthusiastic yachtsman. He is Commodore of the Royal Clyde Yacht Club, Vice-Commodore of the Royal Northern Yacht Club and the Royal Highland Yacht Club, and also a member of the Royal Yacht Squadron. He is President of the Scottish Hockey Association, and took a leading part in bringing the game into vogue in Scotland. He has also distinguished himself as a cricketer and lawn-tennis player, and, as President of the Lorne Curling Club, takes a rink to Carsbreck bonspiel every winter. He owns the estate of Wemyss Bay, and has as his residence there Castle Wemyss. In addition to the ground belonging to his own house of Hartfield at Cove, he leases the shooting on Rosneath moor above from the Duke of Argyll, and. enjoys abundance of sport there of all kinds. Lord Inverclyde is Lord Lieutenant of Dunbartonshire, and a Justice of the Peace for the Counties of Lanark, Renfrew, and the County of the City of Glasgow. He married a daughter of the late Mr. Nugent Dunbar of Machermore Castle, Newton Stewart, and has two daughters and a son.


    So, yes, theer was a successor Lord Inverclyde (see Beryl No 4 and Itea)
    Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη Nicholas Peppas : 24-03-2013 στις 15:45

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    Πρόσφατα βρήκα μια αναφορά στην αγορά του πλοίου, σύμφωνα με αυτή το υπό σημαία Παναμά ΘΕΣΣΑΛΙΑ των Μαρή-Γουλανδρή πουλήθηκε τον Οκτώβρη του 1947 στον Καβουνίδη.

    Το ΘΕΣΣΑΛΙΑ πρέπει να έμεινε στους Μαρή & Γουλανδή λίγους μήνες, το πολύ ένα χρόνο και μετά πουλήθηκε στον Καβουνίδη .
    Τότε έφταναν αρκετά «λόρδικα» με σημαία Παναμά τα περισσότερα, και κάποια από αυτά μπήκαν μετά από 1-2 χρόνια στην ακτοπλοϊα. Το τι έκανε το διάστημα 46-47 δεν το γνωρίζω.

    Ο Μαρής ήταν ένας εφοπλιστής που είχε δραστηριοποιηθεί εκείνα τα πρώτα μεταπολεμικά χρόνια. Αν δεν κάνω λάθος ο ίδιος είχε για λίγο το ΜΑΡΗ (μετέπειτα ΚΩΣΤΑΚΗΣ ΤΟΓΙΑΣ) και κάποιο ΑΜΑΡΥΝΘΙΑ. Για το Γουλανδρή δεν χρειάζονται συστάσεις…

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