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    Προεπιλογή Ναυκρατούσα [Ψαρρά, Μετέωρα, Χαλκίς - Azalea, Chalkis, Naukratoussa, Meteora, Psara]

    This is ship with significant history both in Great Britain and in Greece under three different owners. Known (in Greece) as Chalkis (3 years), Naukratoussa (10 years), and Psara (6 years), she is best known as Naukratoussa (note the spelling in English with two "s"; if it had one "s" it would be pronounced with a "z". In addition, inforeign Web sites it appears spelled phonetically as Nafkratoussa).

    She was an iron screw steamer, built in 1878 by A. and J. Inglis, at Point-house, Glasgow, in the county of Lanark with the name Azalea. She had a sister ship called Cedar. Both of them were 683 tons, 66.3 m long and 9.2 m wide. Azalea was propelled by two compound-inverted direct-acting engines of 200 HP. The Miramar entry is as follows

    Ship Report for "1078646"
    IDNo: 1078646 Year: 1878
    Name: AZALEA Launch Date: 14.8.78
    Type: Passenger/cargo Date of completion: 9.78
    Flag: GBR Keel:
    Tons: 683 Link: 1566
    DWT: 0 Yard No: 148
    Length overall: Ship Design:
    LPP: 66.3 Country of build: GBR
    Beam: 9.2 Builder: Inglis
    Material of build: I Location of yard: Pointhouse
    Number of
    screws/Mchy/
    Speed(kn): 1C-
    Owner as Completed: Glasgow & Londonderry S.P.Co (A.A.Laird & Co), Gla
    Naval or paramilitary marking :
    A: *
    End: 1939
    Subsequent History: 20 CHALKIS - 23 NAFKRATOUSSA - 33 PSARA
    Disposal Data: BU Greece 1q.1939
    See also http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuil...ip.asp?id=1818 The attribution to C. Gambetta in 1914 may be questioned. It is repeated later http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...-12/1198498940 with the name Chalkis associated with the ship. But was there a Gambetta Line?

    Both Azalea and Cedar belonged to the Glasgow, Dublin, and Londonderry Steampacket Company, Limited, of Robertson Street, Glasgow, better known as the Laird Line of Glasgow from the name of her manager Alexander Laird. They were bought to meet the requirements of the West Coast of Ireland trade, and had "excellent saloon accommodation for seventy passengers".

    Here is an announcement of the company's routes and ships as well as a 1891 ad of its routes.

    Azalea.jpg

    Azalea2.jpg

    In 1888, she was involved in a rather serious accident because her captain had decided to race another ship http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/SC...orts/15355.asp

    In 1917 she was requisitioned by the Royal Navy and was taken in the Aegean in December 1917 officially as a "fleet messenger", although she evidently acted as a depot ship for armed trawlers. She was returned to Laird Line in 1919 but did not move back to the UK. Instead she was sold that year (and not in 1920 as the "official sites" indicate) to Panevoiki Line and named Chalkis. Then in 1923 she was sold to Yannoulatos and named Naukratoussa. Under this name she was quite well known and covered several routes. You see below her schedules going to Corfu, to Chios and Mytilene and the Crete in just one week of June 25, 1927 (!)

    Na2 June 25 1927.jpg

    and to a truly ambitious route of Piraeus, Patras, Leukas, Preveza, Corfu, Aghioi Saranta, Valona (Avlon) and Durres (Dyracchion) on July 20, 1929!!!

    Na1 072029.jpg

    In 1933, she was sold to Hellenic Coast Lines (Elliniki Aktoploia) with whom she remained until 1939.

    I could not come up with photographs

    NB 1: In a recent blog about ancestors, Mr Michael Clarke indicates he has a photograph of Chalkis in 1919 in Sevastoupolis. I have contacted him and I hope to receive an answer. This information is interesting but what bothers me is that the ship is called HMS (his Majesty's ship) and this would not been the designation if she was already Greek and belonging to Panevoiki. Unless of course HMS referred to teh Greek rather than the English King. We'll wait and see. Besides, ellinis has not spoken yet.

    "M Clarke" <[email protected]>
    Subject: [MAR] HMS Chalkis
    Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:28:00 -0000

    I have 3 Photographs from the effects of an elderly aunt who never married, I think she lost her fianc&#233; in WW1. The photos show a view of HMS Chalkis from the port quarter, 2 Turkish POW's on deck with a White Ensign clearly visible and the third, dated 10/04/1919 shows Russian and English refugees on board at Sebastopol. Does anyone know any thing about this ship? Mike Clarke

    NB 2: This ship is not to be confused with another Yannoulatos Naukratoussa, bought by the Greek company in 1914 and lost in the battles of Kallipolis in 1918. See http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuil...ip.asp?id=4033 and below

    Single Ship Report for "1084313"
    IDNo: 1084313 Year: 1881
    Name: GORILLA Launch Date: 2.4.81
    Type: Passenger/cargo Date of completion:
    Flag: GBR Keel:
    Tons: 962 Link: 1378
    DWT: Yard No: 299
    Length overall: Ship Design:
    LPP: Country of build: GBR
    Beam: Builder: Barclay Curle
    Material of build: I Location of yard: Whiteinch
    Number of
    screws/Mchy/
    Speed(kn):
    Owner as Completed: J.Burns, Glasgow
    Naval or paramilitary marking :
    A: *
    End: 1918
    Subsequent History: 14 NAFKRATOUSSA
    Disposal Data:

    gunfire off Gallipoli Peninsula 30.1.18
    Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη Nicholas Peppas : 19-04-2009 στις 16:39

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    Nικόλα, η παρουσίαση σου του πλοίου με έβαλε να ψάξω για περισσότερα στοιχεία.

    Παράθεση Αρχική Δημοσίευση από Nicholas Peppas Εμφάνιση μηνυμάτων
    The attribution to C. Gambetta in 1914 may be questioned. It is repeated later http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Mariners/2007-12/1198498940 with the name Chalkis associated with the ship. But was there a Gambetta Line?
    Σε σχέση με το C.Gambetta, τόσο το miramar όσο και το clydesite αναφέρουν το 1920 σαν χρονιά μετανομασίας σε ΧΑΛΚΙΣ. Ίσως ο C.Gambetta να μην ήταν Έλληνας (σε Ιταλικό μου φαίρνει) και να κράτησε το όνομα Azalea υπο πλοιοκτησίας του.

    Τώρα για το HMS CHALKIS, δεν βρήκα κάτι. Αν όντως μετανομάστηκε σε ΧΑΛΚΙΣ το 1920 τότε το HMS CHALKIS του 1917/19 είναι άλλο πλοίο.

    Για καλή τύχη όμως, βρήκα στο photoship μια πολύ καλή φώτο του πλοίου ως AZALEA με τα χρώματα της Laird Line.

    azalea1.jpg
    πηγή

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    Nικόλα, η παρουσίαση σου του πλοίου με έβαλε να ψάξω για περισσότερα στοιχεία.


    Σε σχέση με το C.Gambetta, τόσο το miramar όσο και το clydesite αναφέρουν το 1920 σαν χρονιά μετανομασίας σε ΧΑΛΚΙΣ. Ίσως ο C.Gambetta να μην ήταν Έλληνας (σε Ιταλικό μου φαίρνει) και να κράτησε το όνομα Azalea υπο πλοιοκτησίας του.

    Τώρα για το HMS CHALKIS, δεν βρήκα κάτι. Αν όντως μετανομάστηκε σε ΧΑΛΚΙΣ το 1920 τότε το HMS CHALKIS του 1917/19 είναι άλλο πλοίο.

    Για καλή τύχη όμως, βρήκα στο photoship μια πολύ καλή φώτο του πλοίου ως AZALEA με τα χρώματα της Laird Line.

    azalea1.jpg
    πηγή
    Thanks. This is interesting. I have now the three photographs from Mr Michael Clarke and I am waiting for his permission to post them. The 1919 Chalkis can be seen from the back. Its stern is quite different than the ship you show here. I hope to be able to upload everything soon. N

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    Παράθεση Αρχική Δημοσίευση από Nicholas Peppas Εμφάνιση μηνυμάτων
    She was an iron screw steamer, built in 1878 by A. and J. Inglis, at Point-house, Glasgow, in the county of Lanark with the name Azalea. She had a sister ship called Cedar. Both of them were 683 tons, 66.3 m long and 9.2 m wide.
    Ξέχασα να αναφέρω πως και το αδελφάκι του, το CEDAR, μας ήρθε αργότερα ως ΝΙΚΟΛΑΟΣ ΚΑΒΟΥΝΙΔΗΣ, ΖΕΦΥΡΟΣ και ΣΠΕΤΣΑΙ.

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    Παράθεση Αρχική Δημοσίευση από Ellinis Εμφάνιση μηνυμάτων
    Ξέχασα να αναφέρω πως και το αδελφάκι του, το CEDAR, μας ήρθε αργότερα ως ΝΙΚΟΛΑΟΣ ΚΑΒΟΥΝΙΔΗΣ, ΖΕΦΥΡΟΣ και ΣΠΕΤΣΑΙ.
    Thanks for this. I was planning to star a thread for Cedar/Zephyros... So many old ships, so little time

    Παράθεση Αρχική Δημοσίευση από Nicholas Peppas Εμφάνιση μηνυμάτων
    In 1917 she was requisitioned by the Royal Navy and was taken in the Aegean in December 1917 officially as a "fleet messenger", although she evidently acted as a depot ship for armed trawlers. She was returned to Laird Line in 1919 but did not move back to the UK. Instead she was sold that year (and not in 1920 as the "official sites" indicate) to Panevoiki Line and named Chalkis.

    In a recent blog about ancestors, Mr Michael Clarke indicates he has a photograph of Chalkis in 1919 in Sevastoupolis.
    .

    I have now received permission from Mr Michael Clarke to upload important new information about Azalea/Naukratoussa when she was Chalkis. First, here is Mr Clarke's explanatory note (certain parts of the note have been removed as they are of personal nature):

    Dear Professor Peppas,

    I am delighted to be able to share what little I have discovered about this ship. My interest started when an elderly maiden aunt of mine died some years ago and I discovered an envelope of postcards and photographs from the 1st world war.

    One of the photos was of an old ship with HMS Chalkis written on the back. I attach those that seem relevant, both front and back.


    At the risk of repeating information you already have here is her history as far as I have it. Built in 1878 by A & J Inglis, yard no 148. I have the same names as you. As the Azalea she appears to have traded between N Ireland and Glasgow for the Glasgow & Londonderry Steam Packet Co until she was sold to the Laird Line of Glasgow in 1907.

    She was sold to C Gambetta in 1912 and renamed Chalkis. She was taken over by the Royal Navy in the Aegean in December, 1917 as a Fleet messenger but was supposedly used as a depot ship for armed trawlers. She was returned to her owners in August 1919 and sold on in 1920 to Paneveiki of Piraeus who renamed her Nafkratoussa.

    As you can see from the photos she carried Turkish POWs and was also at Sebastopol with White Russian refugees on board in 1919.

    I hope this is of use, please don't hesitate to ask for better copies of the photos if you would like them.


    Regards, Michael Clarke

    And from a second note

    Please feel free to use the pictures in any way you wish. Your additional information is a wonderful addition to my little store of knowledge.



    First here is Chalkis, presumably in 1919

    Chalkis.jpgChalkis back.jpg

    Here is the photograph of two Turkish prisoners, shown for purposes of appreciation of how Chalkis looked on board

    POWs.jpgPOWs back.jpg

    And here is the photograph of the Russian emigres on board Chalkis

    Refugees.jpgRefugees 2.jpg

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    Προεπιλογή Schedule of Naukratoussa

    I have now another schedule of Naukratoussa from October 30, 1930, one that will remind us of the Theotokos schedules of the same period! Dedicated to Ellinis who will rush, I am sure, to create another nice map that has now more ports than the one for Theotokos!

    Piraeus, Syros, Chios, Kardamyla, Volissos, Psara, Plomarions, Mh0umna, Sigri, Aghios Eustratios, Moudros, Kondias, Samo0raki, Alexandroupolis, Kavala!

    19301030 all N.jpg

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    To περίεργο με αυτό το δρομολόγιο του Ναυκρατούσσα είναι πως δεν έπιανε στα 2 κύρια λιμάνια, τη Μυτιλήνη και τη Μύρινα. Αναρωτιέμαι αν υπήρχε λόγος ή απλά επενέβη ο δαίμωνας του τυπογραφείου...

    Όπως και αν έχει ακολουθεί και ο σχετικός χάρτης που ζήτησες
    Συνημένες Εικόνες Συνημένες Εικόνες

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    Παράθεση Αρχική Δημοσίευση από Ellinis Εμφάνιση μηνυμάτων
    To περίεργο με αυτό το δρομολόγιο του Ναυκρατούσσα είναι πως δεν έπιανε στα 2 κύρια λιμάνια, τη Μυτιλήνη και τη Μύρινα. Αναρωτιέμαι αν υπήρχε λόγος ή απλά επενέβη ο δαίμωνας του τυπογραφείου...

    Όπως και αν έχει ακολουθεί και ο σχετικός χάρτης που ζήτησες
    Hmm... No idea

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    Παράθεση Αρχική Δημοσίευση από Nicholas Peppas Εμφάνιση μηνυμάτων
    This is ship with significant history both in Great Britain and in Greece under three different owners. Known (in Greece) as Chalkis (3 years), Naukratoussa (10 years), and Psara (6 years), she is best known as Naukratoussa (note the spelling in English with two "s"; if it had one "s" it would be pronounced with a "z". In addition, inforeign Web sites it appears spelled phonetically as Nafkratoussa).

    She was an iron screw steamer, built in 1878 by A. and J. Inglis, at Point-house, Glasgow, in the county of Lanark with the name Azalea. She had a sister ship called Cedar. Both of them were 683 tons, 66.3 m long and 9.2 m wide. Azalea was propelled by two compound-inverted direct-acting engines of 200 HP.

    Both Azalea and Cedar belonged to the Glasgow, Dublin, and Londonderry
    In 1917 she was requisitioned by the Royal Navy and was taken in the Aegean in December 1917 officially as a "fleet messenger", although she evidently acted as a depot ship for armed trawlers. She was returned to Laird Line in 1919 but did not move back to the UK. Instead she was sold that year (and not in 1920 as the "official sites" indicate) to Panevoiki Line and named Chalkis.
    Here are then two nice announcements about Chalkis in her first year in Greece.

    First a rather ambitious trip on February 4, 1920 from Piraeus to Chios, Smyrna, Mytilene, Alexandroupolis, Kavala, Thessaloniki, Volos, Chalkis and back to Piraeus!

    19200204 Chalkis.jpg

    And then a nice excursion to Tenos and Paros on August 13, 1920

    19200813 Chalkis.jpg

    Chalkis
    Chalkis1.jpg
    Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη Nicholas Peppas : 27-10-2009 στις 17:11

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    Here are two more announcements about Chalkis in her first year in Greece.

    On May 5, 1920 she goes to Egypt...
    19200530 Chalkis.jpg

    ... and on August 7, 1920 she goes to Smyrna
    19200807 Chalkis.jpg

    A wonderful and detailed schedule of Naukratoussa from Thessaloniki. The date is February 3, 1925. Please note 120 places or first and second class!

    19250203 Naukratousa.jpg

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