Ãåþñãéïò Ôüãéáò [Cumbria, Vas. Constantinos, Leros, Paros, Georgios Togias, Thasos]

[Nicholas Peppas]

Georgios Togias was a great ship of the pre-war era. She was just a 471-ton former yacht (lordiko) that had been built as Cumbria in 1882. She first came to Greece as Vasilefs Konstantinos of Syros Coastal Shipping (Atmoploia Syrou) in 1914 and as Leros in 1918 (Miramar is wrong!). As Leros, she belonged to Anatoliki Lines.

Here is a typical schedule of hers as Vasilefs Konstantinos on October 17, 1916, and another two of hers as Leros on November 3, 1919 and December 2, 1919.

19161017 Vas Konst.jpg19191103 Leros.jpg19191202aa Leros.jpg

She became Embiricos' Paros in 1923, Togias' Georgios Togias in 1927, and Thasos in 1933. More on her is coming up later today!

Miramar's entries are:

IDNo: 1086118 Year: 1882
Name: CUMBRIA Launch Date: 31.12.81
Type: Yacht Date of completion: 6.82
Flag: GBR Keel:
Tons: 471 Link: 1277
DWT: Yard No: 434
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: Country of build: GBR
Beam: Builder: Armstrong Mitchell
Material of build: I Location of yard: Low Walker
Number of screws/Mchy/ Speed(kn):
End: 1937
Subsequent History: 83 NUBIENNE - 85 VELLEDA - 06 SAN DONATO - 14 VASILEFS CONSTANTINOS - 20 LEROS - 23 PAROS - 27 GEORGIOS TOGIAS - 33 THASOS
Disposal Data: BU 3q.37

Also

CUMBRIA 471 1882
NUBIENNE 471 1883 E.Blanc
VELLEDA 471 1885 H.Menier
SAN DONATO 471 1906 Schahowsky-G-S.
VASILEFS CONSTANTINOS 471 1914 A.Papadopulos
LEROS 471 1920 A.A.Capparis
PAROS 471 1923 Embiricos Bros
GEORGIOS TOGIAS 471 1927 E.K.Togias
THASOS 471 1933 Hellenic Coast Lines

Here is a nice photo of Georgios Togias

G. Togias.jpg

Dedicated to gtogias!

[gtogias]

Here is a nice photo of Georgios Togias

G. Togias.jpg

Dedicated to gtogias!

Åõ÷áñéóôþ ðïëý. Ôþñá Ý÷ù ôï äéêü ìïõ thread.

[Nicholas Peppas]

Georgios Togias had another, shorter career after the famous merger of most of the passenger lines in the early 1930s. In 1933, at the age of 51, she became Thasos.

SUBSIDIZED ROUTES (AGONES GRAMMES) IN THE 1930s

One of the unusual decisions of the 1933 merger/amalgamation was the establishment of extremely long subsidized routes. The directors of the new company felt that some of the older ships (especially the former English and Scottish yachts that came to Greece as passenger ships before or after World War I) could be used for a port-by-port connection of large sections of Greece. The result was the development of monster "subsidized routes". Now, one could never imagine taking a boat from Piraeus to go to Alexandroupolis after 22 stops (see below). So, the purpose of these long routes was mostly to connect less used ports with others...

Previously, Ellinis and I have given some of these long, multi-port subsidized routes. See for example (often with Ellinis wonderful and very instructive maps !) the following:
--- The Milos (first Moschanthi) doing the Lesser Cyclades in June 1934 http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpos...0&postcount=14
--- Naukratoussa doing the lesser ports of NE Aegean Sea in October 1930 http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpos...00&postcount=9 and http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/attachm...9&d=1243277923
--- Theotokos doing something similar in July 1930 http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpos...97&postcount=6 and http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpos...77&postcount=7
--- Nikolaos and Maria L in 1925 to the SE Peloponissos http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=57756

Up to now, the record of 21 ports belonged to Moschanthi (see above http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpos...0&postcount=14)

Here is now the new record, belonging to Thasos in a June 4, 1934 voyage. Count the ports!
Thasos June 4 1934.jpg
Piraeus, Syros, Karkinagri of SE Ikaria (!), Aghios Kirykos, Fournoi, Mara0okampos, Pythagoreion, Vathy Samou, Karlovassi, Chios, Kardamyla, Skala Volissou, Psara, Gera (where exactly?), Plomari (why not before Gera?), Mytilene, Methymna, Petra (I wonder why they needed to stop in Methymna and Petra which is just 10 miles away!), Sigri, Aghios Eustratios, Moudros, Myrina, Samo0raki, Alexandroupolis, Porto Lago, Kavala, ports of Chalkidiki (who knows how many, but I am sure Dafni of Aghion Oros was one of them) and Thessaloniki!!!

That's 27 ports (excluding Piraeus) and without knowing how many ports Thasos visited in Chalkidiki. The sad thing, however, is that Thasos did not stop in Thasos!

Thasos was finally retired in 1937 at the age of 55!

[DAFEL]

ÁÌÁÍ ÑÅ ÍÉÊÏËÁ ÏËÇ ÌÅÑÁ ØÁ×ÍÅÉÓ.ÅËËÁ ÖÉËÅ ÂÑÅÓ ÊÁÐÏÉÁ ÐÁËÁÉÁ ÖÙÔÏ ÊÁÉ ÃÉÁ ÔÇ ÐÁÑÏ.

[Nicholas Peppas]

The great Georgios Togias had a great early career as Cumbria, one of the most famous yacht of the last quarter of the 19th century.

I have a wonderful photograph from 1883 from http://www.tomorrows-history.com/pub...m=11616&flag=C

Cum.jpg

British barque rigged steam yacht (470 gross tons).
1883: Built at Low Walker for the Earl of Lonsdale, Lowther Castle, Westmoreland, who died only a year after her completion.
She went on to have a number of name changes - Nubienne, Velleda, San Donat.
By 1914 she was the Greek owned commercial vessel Vasilefs Constantinos.
1920: Renamed Leros.
1925: Renamed Paros.
1930: Renamed Georgios Togias.
1935 Renamed Thasos.
1937: Broken up in Italy.

By late 1883, she had been sold to French interests and her name had changed to Nubienne. She made the news on July 11, 1884 in the New York Times...

Note the statement

The Nubienne is said to be the finest yacht ever built in England.

Also note her schedule in just one month!

Departure: June 10, 1884 from Le Havre to Quebec, Montreal, then New York, then Monaco by July 11, 1884!!!

And that's for a 450-ton yacht!

And notice there were 6 people and a crew of 36! Who said the good old days were not good?
Nub1.jpg
Nub2.jpg

[Ellinis]

Må ðñüëáâåò Íéêüëá, üðùò åôïéìáæüìïõí íá ôçí áíåâÜóù.
Äåßôå üìùò ôç ëåðôïìÝñåéá áðü ôçí ðëþñç, ìå ôï áíÜãëõöï áêñüðëùñï ìå ôï öôåñùôü äñÜêï. Äåí åßíáé õðÝñï÷ï;

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That's 27 ports (excluding Piraeus) and without knowing how many ports Thasos visited in Chalkidiki. The sad thing, however, is that Thasos did not stop in Thasos!

Aðßóôåõôï ôáîßäé! ùóðïý íá öôÜóåéò óôïí ðñïïñéóìü èá åß÷åò îå÷Üóåé áðü ðïõ îåêßíçóåò...

Óå áõôÞ ôçí éóôïóåëßäá ìðïñåßôå íá äåßôå ôïìÞ ìå ôá êáôáóôñþìáôá ôïõ ðëïßïõ, áðü ôüôå ðïõ ôáîßäåõå ùò ãáëëéêÞ èáëáìçãüò VELLEDA. Êáèþò êáé ôçí ðáñáêÜôù öùôï üðùò êáé Ýíá óêßôóï.

paros as velleda%204.jpg

[Nicholas Peppas]

Må ðñüëáâåò Íéêüëá, üðùò åôïéìáæüìïõí íá ôçí áíåâÜóù.
Äåßôå üìùò ôç ëåðôïìÝñåéá áðü ôçí ðëþñç, ìå ôï áíÜãëõöï áêñüðëùñï ìå ôï öôåñùôü äñÜêï. Äåí åßíáé õðÝñï÷ï;

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Fysika yperoxo!!! Loipon douleuoume sto idio 0ema! Mas aresoun ta lordika!

Åõ÷áñéóôþ ðïëý. Ôþñá Ý÷ù ôï äéêü ìïõ thread.

Dear Yorgo

I hope you will contribute something about your name bearer!

Óå áõôÞ ôçí éóôïóåëßäá ìðïñåßôå íá äåßôå ôïìÞ ìå ôá êáôáóôñþìáôá ôïõ ðëïßïõ, áðü ôüôå ðïõ ôáîßäåõå ùò ãáëëéêÞ èáëáìçãüò VELLEDA.

And here is a great photograph of most of Velleda in the background at "cette célèbre course Alger-Toulon par Mahon (Baléares) qui s'est déroulée à Pâques 1905" It is obvious that Cumbria/Nubienne/Velleda was a great "boat". A small boat called "Quand même" is in front of her.

Velleda.jpg
Source:http://www.bibliorare.com/resultats_...-03-2001-2.htm

[Ellinis]

Here is now the new record, belonging to Thasos in a June 4, 1934 voyage. Count the ports!
Thasos June 4 1934.jpg
Piraeus, Syros, Karkinagri of SE Ikaria (!), Aghios Kirykos, Fournoi, Mara0okampos, Pythagoreion, Vathy Samou, Karlovassi, Chios, Kardamyla, Skala Volissou, Psara, Gera (where exactly?), Plomari (why not before Gera?), Mytilene, Methymna, Petra (I wonder why they needed to stop in Methymna and Petra which is just 10 miles away!), Sigri, Aghios Eustratios, Moudros, Myrina, Samo0raki, Alexandroupolis, Porto Lago, Kavala, ports of Chalkidiki (who knows how many, but I am sure Dafni of Aghion Oros was one of them) and Thessaloniki!!!

That's 27 ports (excluding Piraeus) and without knowing how many ports Thasos visited in Chalkidiki. The sad thing, however, is that Thasos did not stop in Thasos!

ÐñáãìáôéêÜ åíôõðùóéáêü ôï äñïìïëüãéï, üðùò êáé ôï ïôé óôáìÜôáãå óå 6 ! ëéìÜíéá óôç ËÝóâï... ôþñá ãéáôß ðÞãáéíå ðñþôá ÃÝñá äåí ôï ãíùñßæù, ïýôå ãéá ôï ðïõ óôáìÜôáãå áëëÜ âëÝðù ïôé óôç ÓêÜëá Ëïõôñþí ïé ÷Üñôåò äåß÷íïõí Ýíá áãêõñïâüëéï.
Ìéáò êáé åßíáé ôüóï éäéáßôåñï ôï äñïìïëüãéï, Ýêáôóá êáé ôï "ðÝñáóá" óôï ÷Üñôç ðáñáêÜôù

[Nicholas Peppas]

ÐñáãìáôéêÜ åíôõðùóéáêü ôï äñïìïëüãéï, üðùò êáé ôï ïôé óôáìÜôáãå óå 6 ! ëéìÜíéá óôç ËÝóâï... ôþñá ãéáôß ðÞãáéíå ðñþôá ÃÝñá äåí ôï ãíùñßæù, ïýôå ãéá ôï ðïõ óôáìÜôáãå áëëÜ âëÝðù ïôé óôç ÓêÜëá Ëïõôñþí ïé ÷Üñôåò äåß÷íïõí Ýíá áãêõñïâüëéï.
Ìéáò êáé åßíáé ôüóï éäéáßôåñï ôï äñïìïëüãéï, Ýêáôóá êáé ôï "ðÝñáóá" óôï ÷Üñôç ðáñáêÜôù

S'eyxaristw gi'auth thn analysh kai ton kainourio katatopistiko xarth...

Our observations made me reexamine what happened in ***** passenger coastal shipping in the late 1920s and early 1930s. So, I went back to the sources. The nice Web site http://foss.math.aegean.gr/~alex/P/km/Ferries/HmlHistoryEL.htm gives a summary of the well known changes in 1929. It shows how the Togias Line became part of the "ÁêôïðëïÀá ôçò ÅëëÜäïò Á.Å." and points out how Yannoulatos and Manuelides decided to provide service to every conceivable port! See statement in red below

Ôï 1929 ìå ðñùôïâïõëßá ôïõ áåéìíÞóôïõ ÐáíáãÞ ÃéáííïõëÜôïõ, õéïý ôïõ Áíôùíßïõ, äéåõèýíïíôïò óýìâïõëïõ ôçò åôáéñåßáò, ïé ðÝíôå ìåãáëýôåñåò åôáéñåßåò ôçò åðï÷Þò óõã÷ùíåýèçêáí êáé ßäñõóáí ôçí "ÁêôïðëïÀá ôçò ÅëëÜäïò Á.Å." ãíùóôÞò ùò ÁÊÔÅË ÁÅ.
Ïé åôáéñåßåò ðïõ åíþèçêáí Þôáí:

• á) ÁôìïðëïÀá ÃéáííïõëÜôïõ
  (Áíþíõìïò ÉïíéêÞ ÁôìïðëïúêÞ Åôáéñåßá ÃéáííïõëÜôïò)
• â) ÁôìïðëïÀá Ñßããá
  (Åôáéñåßá Áðïóôüëïõ Ñßããá)
• ã) ÁôìïðëïÀá Ìáíïõçëßäç
  (ÁôìïðëïÀá Ìáíïõçëßäç Á.Å.)
• ä) ÁôìïðëïÀá ÐáíôáëÝùí
• å) Ïé Å. & Ç. Âëáóóüðïõëïé êáé ï Ó. ÊùôôÜêçò.
  Áñãüôåñá ðñïóôÝèçêáí:
• óô) ÁôìïðëïÀá Ôüãéá
• æ) ÁôìïðëïÀá Äïìåóôßíç

Ç óõã÷þíåõóç áõôÞ áðïóêïðïýóå óôçí áðïöõãÞ ôïõ óêëçñïý áíôáãùíéóìïý ðïõ, åÜí óõíå÷éæüôáí, èá åðÝöåñå ôçí ïéêïíïìéêÞ êáôáóôñïöÞ ôùí ðåñéóóïôÝñùí åôáéñåéþí. Ôá ðëïßá ðïõ ðáñá÷þñçóáí ïé 7 êáé áðïôÝëåóáí ôï óôüëï ôçò ÁÊÔÅË Á.Å. Þôáí:


1. ÁôìïðëïÀá ÃéáííïõëÜôïõ ÁôôéêÞ, ºÝñáî, Ìéáïýëçò, Áäñéáôéêüò, ¶öïâïò, Ìðïõìðïõëßíá, Õðåñï÷Þ, Íáõêñáôïýóá, Áôñüìçôïò, ¶óóïò, ÉùÜííéíá, ×ñõóáëßò, ÁããåëéêÞ, ÆÜêõíèïò, ÆÝöõñïò, ÊÝñêõñá.
2. ÁôìïðëïÀá Áðïóôüëïõ Ñßããá Áåôüò, ÁèÞíáé, ÐÞëéïí, Âüëïò (ðñïóåôÝèç áñãüôåñá), ËÞìíïò.
3. ÁôìïðëïÀá Ìáíïõçëßäç Á.Å. ¹ñá Ì., Ìáßñç Ì., ¸ëåíá Ì.
4. ÁôìïðëïÀá ÐáíôáëÝùí Áñêáäßá, ÂõæÜíôéïí, Ñïýìåëç, ÓðÜñôç, Óìýñíç.
5. ÁôìïðëïÀá Ôüãéá Íéêüëáïò Ôüãéáò, Ìïó÷Üíèç Ôüãéá, Ãåþñãéïò Ôüãéáò, ÊÜñõóôïò Ôüãéá, Êùíóôáíôßíïò Ôüãéáò, ÌõêÜëç Ôüãéá.
6. ÁôìïðëïÀá Äïìåóôßíç ÊáíÜñçò.
7. ÁôìïðëïÀá Âëáóóïðïýëïõ-ÊùôôÜêç ¶ñçò, Êñüíïò. 2

Äéåõèýíïíôåò ôçò ÁÊÔÅË Á.Å. áíÝëáâáí ïé ÐáíáãÞò ÃéáííïõëÜôïò êáé ÁèáíÜóéïò Ìáíïõçëßäçò. Ôá 38 ðëïßá ôçò íÝáò åôáéñåßáò áðïôåëïýóáí ôï 90% ôïõ õðÜñ÷ïíôïò ôüôå áêôïðëïúêïý óôüëïõ êáé åîõðçñÝôçóáí õðïäåéãìáôéêÜ ôéò áêôïðëïúêÝò óõãêïéíùíßåò ìÝ÷ñé ôïí Ïêôþâñéï ôïõ 1940.
Åêôüò ôçò êïéíïðñáîßáò ðáñÝìåéíáí Ýùò ôï 1939 ïé åöïðëéóôÝò ÐïôáìéÜíïò, ÔóÝãêáò êáé ÉããëÝóçò.
Ôçí äåêáåôßá 1929-1939 ç ÁÊÔÅË Á.Å. ðïýëçóå ôá ðáëáéüôåñá ðëïßá ôçò, áíáíåþíïíôáò ôï óôüëï ìå ðéï óýã÷ñïíá êáé óõíÝäåóå ü÷é ìüíïí ôïí ÐåéñáéÜ áëëÜ êáé ôç Èåóóáëïíßêç êáé ôï Âüëï ìå ôá ëéìÜíéá ôçò ÌÝóçò ÁíáôïëÞò. Ìå ôá ôáêôéêÜ äñïìïëüãéá ôïõ åóùôåñéêïý ðïõ óõìðåñéåëÜìâáíáí êáé ôá ðëÝïí áóÞìáíôá ëéìÜíéá, äçìéïýñãçóå äßêôõï èáëÜóóéùí óõãêïéíùíéþí Üãíùóôï ìÝ÷ñé ôüôå ãéá ôç ÷þñá ìáò.

[Nicholas Peppas]

I am summarizing below some schedule sof this ship. I hope I am not overdoing it!

AS VASILEFS KONSTANTINOS

For Syros Line October 17 and November 13, 1916, both time to Ikaria, Samos and Dodecanissos
19161017 Vas Konst.jpg19161113 Vas Konstant.jpg

AS LEROS

For Anatoliki Line July 26, 1919 to Syros, Tenos, Andros, Kor0ion but also the Evoikos route to Thessaloniki. Then, on September 4, 1919 the same and on September 12, 1919 two slightly different Cyclades routes
19190726 all.jpg19190904 Leros.jpg19190912a.jpg


AS LEROS

For Anatoliki Line September 13, 1919 to Argosaronikos!! Then, on October 31, 1919 the Paronaxia route followed by the lower Eptanissos route, and on November 3, 1919 Paronaxia and Crete routes!
19190913.jpg19191031a.jpg19191103 Leros.jpg