Αετός (1) [Aetos (1)]

[Nicholas Peppas]

Starting with an innocent posting in http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpos...4&postcount=10
Ellinis, Roi Baudoin and have been talking about the very early days of Rafina (pre-1940) as a starting point of coastal shipping, north to Aliveri, Chalkida, Limne and Aedipsos (in the pre-war years), north-east to Styra and Marmari, east to Karystos and south east to the Cyclades and everywhere else…

In these discussions, we have identified three (perhaps even four) pre-War passenger ships with the name Aetos that I would like to summarize here along with new information I have discovered.

1. The "1908 Aetos"

The first Aetos is the ship that appeared in several ads from 1908 that I discovered in Embros. Can you imagine that Rafina had passenger ship service 101 years ago? Here are the advertisements from the newspaper Embros of July 7, 10, 13 and 16, 1908.
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The ship Aetos was serving both the routes to Cyclades and towards Chalkida. This ad is quite surprising! Read below.

Aetos was going to:
1. Rafina, Marmari, Karystos, Gaurio, Batsi, Gaurio (again?) and Ysternia Tenou.
2. Rafina, Styra, Grammatiko (!), Aliverion, Vatheia (!) and Oropos! Now, have you seen before a passenger ship going to Grammatiko and Oropos from Rafina or any other port? I have not! By the way, the "port" of Grammatiko could be Aghia Marina or perhaps some little village like Aghios Dimitrios. As for Vatheia, that's definitely today's Amarynthos.
3. Rafina, Karystos, Marmari, Styra, Aliverion and Chalkis

But who was the owner of this one? I have a 1920 booklet with Athenian stores. It includes a store for dry foods by Mavrommatis in Sophokleous. This is the same shop where one could buy tickets according to the ad ... Was he the owner? Who knows?

Also three more questions:
1. Why do all four ads say the ship will depart on the "10th of the current month"? Why would a company place adds after the 10th if the departure is on the 10th? Do they mean that services started on the 10th?
2. Why did these ads disappear after the 16th of July 1908?
3...Why isn't there any reference of an Aetos ship in Miramar or in Tzamtzis' works? Mystery!

And the piece de resistance is that the passengers were transferred from Athens to Rafina by bus in 1908 (!!!). What kind of buses were these? in 1908?
Buses were leaving at 6:00 am and the boat at 10:00 am. Evidently, it was taking 3 hours to arrive?

The other two Aetos'
2. The Striftoulis Aetos

Another Aetos passenger ship belonged to Striftoulis, a merchant of dry goods in Sophokleous Str in Athens and seemed to be active from 1933-1941.
See http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpos...8&postcount=13

3. The Riggas' Aetos

[Nicholas Peppas]

1. The "1908 Aetos" (continued)

The first Aetos is the ship that appeared in several ads from 1908 that I discovered in Embros. Here are the advertisements from the newspaper Embros of July 7, 10, 13 and 16, 1908. The ship Aetos was serving both the routes to Cyclades and towards Chalkida. This ad is quite surprising!
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And the piece de resistance is that the passengers were transferred from Athens to Rafina by bus in 1908 (!!!). Buses were leaving at 6:00 am and the boat at 10:00 am. Evidently, it was taking 3 hours to arrive?[/quote]
These ads started a discussion of whether Rafina existed in 1908 and if it had the right facilities to host a departing ship and especially one with so many connections...

First, we have now a document from the English version of the Baedeker Travel Guide of 1908 that discusses the region east of Athens and how one would travel from Athens to Marathon.
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Rafina is a small village, a harbor is not mentioned and the total time from Ambelokipoi (Athens) to Rafina is about 3 hours!

Also another commentary from Embros of Sunday, July 12, 1920 identifies the well known Athenian A. Skouzes as the originator of the development in Rafina, the first small pier and the little road connecting to the main road to Marathon. Clearly, by 1920 we had a reasonable harbor in Rafina with a pier and connection with the islands! And the article even mentions one of the early stalwarts of the coastal shipping in that region, Togias' Karystos, albeit with a misspelled shipowner (as Zogias!)
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The addition of Karystos must have been recent because schedules of this vessel from 1916 (that I will produce in a new thread of the ship soon) indicate that in 1916 she was leaving for Andros and Tenos from Piraeus, not from Rafina!

But Togias Line might have had something to do with Rafina even earlier, as I found this short piece of news from August 19, 1908!
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Then, Ellinis gave the following information
http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpos...6&postcount=21 He believes that the 1908 Aetos is potentially the former yacht LΆ Espiegle, built in 1869 by J & G Thomson in Glasgow. She had 174 tons, length of 143.1 ft, width of 21.5 ft. She belonged to Thomas Broadwood of London.

The first year of her operation, she participated in the Royal Thames Yacht Club regatta as discussed in HuntΆs Yachting Magazine of 1870. But on page 294 she is listed as having 312 tons and belonging to the Royal London Yacht Club

In 1877 LΆ Espiegle was purchased by the Duke of Argyll and renamed Columba. She was a two-cylinder iron steam yacht with a small 60 HP engine.

She is mentioned also in Clydebuilt http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuil...p.asp?id=23329.

In 1928 that same ship was listed as Aetos at Lloyds Register and seh was a ship belonging to G. Maraggides. This is why we believe she may be the same ship...

[Ellinis]

Aπό το αρχείο της Εθνικής Βιβλιοθήκης, η παρακάτω δημοσίευση της 4ης Σεπτέμβρη 1913 η οποία αναφέρεται στο επιταγμένο ΑΕΤΟΣ το οποίο μεταφέρει λάφυρα :shock: από την Ήπειρο! Λογικά πρέπει είναι το 1ο ΑΕΤΟΣ.

[Nicholas Peppas]

Aπό το αρχείο της Εθνικής Βιβλιοθήκης, η παρακάτω δημοσίευση της 4ης Σεπτέμβρη 1913 η οποία αναφέρεται στο επιταγμένο ΑΕΤΟΣ το οποίο μεταφέρει λάφυρα :shock: από την Ήπειρο! Λογικά πρέπει είναι το 1ο ΑΕΤΟΣ.

Incredible document. Thank you so much

[Ellinis]

Το ΑΕΤΟΣ αναφέρεται και σε ένα άρθρο του 1908, μιας και έσπευσε να παραλάβει το πλήρωμα του φορτηγού πλοίου ΕΛΛΑΣ που ναυάγησε -χωρίς ανθρώπινες απώλειες- σε κακοκαιρία στο Κάβο Μαλιά.

[Nicholas Peppas]

Το ΑΕΤΟΣ αναφέρεται και σε ένα άρθρο του 1908, μιας και έσπευσε να παραλάβει το πλήρωμα του φορτηγού πλοίου ΕΛΛΑΣ που ναυάγησε -χωρίς ανθρώπινες απώλειες- σε κακοκαιρία στο Κάβο Μαλιά.

Τουλαχιστον τωρα μαθαινουμε σιγα, σιγα οτι το πλοιο ειχε μια καποια ιστορια

[Ellinis]

Υπομονή και σύντομα θα έχουμε και περισσότερα...

[Ellinis]

Then, Ellinis gave the following information
http://www.nautilia.gr/forum/showpos...6&postcount=21 He believes that the 1908 Aetos is potentially the former yacht LΆ Espiegle, built in 1869 by J & G Thomson in Glasgow. She had 174 tons, length of 143.1 ft, width of 21.5 ft. She belonged to Thomas Broadwood of London.

The first year of her operation, she participated in the Royal Thames Yacht Club regatta as discussed in HuntΆs Yachting Magazine of 1870. But on page 294 she is listed as having 312 tons and belonging to the Royal London Yacht Club

In 1877 LΆ Espiegle was purchased by the Duke of Argyll and renamed Columba. She was a two-cylinder iron steam yacht with a small 60 HP engine.

She is mentioned also in Clydebuilt http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuil...p.asp?id=23329.

In 1928 that same ship was listed as Aetos at Lloyds Register and seh was a ship belonging to G. Maraggides. This is why we believe she may be the same ship...

Τελικά η πιθανότητα το ΑΕΤΟΣ της Ραφήνας να έχει κάποια σχέση με το ΑΕΤΟΣ (πρώην COLUMBA και L'ESPIEGLE δεν υφίσταται. Ένας καλός φίλος που ερεύνησε τα βρετανικά αρχεία με ενημέρωσε οτι το COLUMBA πουλήθηκε σε Έλληνες το 1914, δηλαδή έξι χρόνια μετά την εμφάνιση του ΑΕΤΟΣ της Ραφήνας.
Αυτό με έκανε να ψάξω περισσότερο και τελικά βρήκα οτι στο νηολόγιο Σύρου υπήρχε ένα ΑΕΤΟΣ. Η επιτόπια έρευνα έδειξε οτι ήταν ένα ατμόπλοιο 75 κόρων που είχε νηολογηθεί στη Σύρο με αριθμό 840 και που το 1914 (με την μεταφορά των ενεργών πλοίων στο "νέο" νηολόγιο) πήρε τον αριθμό 35. Αυτό το ΑΕΤΟΣ διαγράφηκε από το νηολόγιο το 1919 έχοντας πουληθεί σε ξένους.
Σίγουρα το ΑΕΤΟΣ (Ν.Σ. 840) είναι το ίδιο που αναφέρεται στον κατάλογο ελληνικών πλοίων του 1908 (παρακάτω) ως "ποστάλι", άρα υπάρχει σοβαρή πιθανότητα να είναι το ίδιο με το ΑΕΤΟΣ της Ραφήνας.

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[Nicholas Peppas]

Τελικά η πιθανότητα το ΑΕΤΟΣ της Ραφήνας να έχει κάποια σχέση με το ΑΕΤΟΣ (πρώην COLUMBA και L'ESPIEGLE δεν υφίσταται. Ένας καλός φίλος που ερεύνησε τα βρετανικά αρχεία με ενημέρωσε οτι το COLUMBA πουλήθηκε σε Έλληνες το 1914, δηλαδή έξι χρόνια μετά την εμφάνιση του ΑΕΤΟΣ της Ραφήνας.
Αυτό με έκανε να ψάξω περισσότερο και τελικά βρήκα οτι στο νηολόγιο Σύρου υπήρχε ένα ΑΕΤΟΣ. Η επιτόπια έρευνα έδειξε οτι ήταν ένα ατμόπλοιο 75 κόρων που είχε νηολογηθεί στη Σύρο με αριθμό 840 και που το 1914 (με την μεταφορά των ενεργών πλοίων στο "νέο" νηολόγιο) πήρε τον αριθμό 35. Αυτό το ΑΕΤΟΣ διαγράφηκε από το νηολόγιο το 1919 έχοντας πουληθεί σε ξένους.
Σίγουρα το ΑΕΤΟΣ (Ν.Σ. 840) είναι το ίδιο που αναφέρεται στον κατάλογο ελληνικών πλοίων του 1908 (παρακάτω) ως "ποστάλι", άρα υπάρχει σοβαρή πιθανότητα να είναι το ίδιο με το ΑΕΤΟΣ της Ραφήνας.

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Ευπροσδεκτη η απαντηση.